swindon hammer 3:20 Sun Jan 22
The John Lyall Years - Robert Banks
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but is anyone watching this series from Robert Banks on YouTube?
The latest episode is the start of season 84/85 (My first season following West Ham) where John Lyall almost left to join QPR that summer.
Great clips, great music and full of interesting historical Information about West Ham during the Lyall era.
Highly recommended. It deserves far more views than it currently gets.
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Manuel
3:44 Sat Aug 26
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muskie - Yep, thought the same thing, it brings a lot back, most of it hazy though, but always surreal, like another lifetime, for me anyway.
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Iron Duke
3:42 Sat Aug 26
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Yep. Very well put together.
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muskie
3:39 Sat Aug 26
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This is like a time machine, if you were there it takes you right back.
Brilliant stuff.
Don't miss.
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swindon hammer
3:15 Sat Aug 26
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Yeah he was out for a lot of that season, as was Rosenior.
Give it a few months though and (spoiler alert) Trevor Morley & Jimmy Quinn would be brought in as reinforcements.
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Manuel
2:39 Sat Aug 26
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Watched it this arvo, Swindon. I'm pretty certain Kamara's injury to Frankie was unintentional. I remember being in Rhodes at the time, was horrible fucking news to hear. I believe he didn't play again until the following March.
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swindon hammer
2:29 Sat Aug 26
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This great series is back with the Lou Macari Years (Months)
The players don’t like training in the afternoons which Macari introduced after saying the previous way wasn’t working.
The club have no option but to accept a much lower fee for Paul Ince after he failed a medical at Man Utd and our fans won’t accept him back after he appeared in a Man Utd kit before he had even signed for them.
Mad Dog finally arrives after weeks of ongoing saga with QPR and Trevor Francis and immediately makes an impact.
Macca breaks his leg after a challenge from Chris Kamara on the opening day. They showed the footage (Admittedly not the best pictures) but it looked fairly innocuous.
Oh and to tie into today we got thrashed at Brighton!
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swindon hammer
9:01 Mon Jul 31
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He was hinting that after a bit of a break he might continue it with the Bonds & Redknapp era’s (With a bit of Lou Macari).
Let’s hope so.
Whatever we might think of Macari’s short reign, he did bring in Bishop, Morley, Mad Dog & Ludo.
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Lato
6:19 Mon Jul 31
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Thanks Sold
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Northern Sold
4:20 Mon Jul 31
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https://www.youtube.com/@westhamhistory/videos
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Northern Sold
4:06 Mon Jul 31
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Lato.... just do a search on YouTube `Robert Banks West Ham' and it will take you to his channel.... once on there it's easy peasy... start at episode 1 and it automatically plays the next in sequence
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Lato
2:19 Mon Jul 31
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Thanks Mike
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Mike Oxsaw
12:09 Mon Jul 31
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If you add a Video Download helper to your browser, a button will appear just below the picture and above the comments - click on that and choose the quality you want.
It will download in the background after that and while it's doing so, seek out the next episode and repeat.
All six should download in about no more than an hour if you run the downloads in parallel.
You'll then have all 6 on your computer/phone to watch in any order you choose.
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Lato
11:58 Mon Jul 31
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How do you watch this in order? All the episodes come up randomly
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zico
11:51 Mon Jul 31
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I think a few of the players have said that as much as they loved Lyall he maybe put his feet under the table a bit after the board stopped him moving to QPR when they offered him enough to retire on after Terry Venables left. That said he still had that 85/86 season after that happened.
I think he was too loyal to even those who left. Letting Goddard go with no replacement for instance was a mistake. It's also interesting that when he came Stewart Robson was Hammer of the Year so the fans appreciated him but the way he played didn't get appreciated by some of the other players.
The problem was you need to buy when you are doing well, not when you are struggling. David Kelly was probably 5th or 6th choice and to be fair to him he had a good career elsewhere just not at West Ham. After 85/86 we needed a GK, LB, CB, CM and CF but squads just weren't like that in those days.
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Northern Sold
11:46 Mon Jul 31
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Kelly's Stats
West Ham - 63 App - 13 Goals
Leicester - 75 App - 24 Goals
Newcastle -83 App - 39 Goals
Wolves - 103 Apps - 36 Goals
EIRE - 26 Apps - 9 Goals
Shows that there was a player there... and it did seem he did notch a lot playing against us
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cholo
11:44 Mon Jul 31
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Northern Sold
I remember the Norwich game, superb atmosphere and lots of hope but frankie didn't get a kick and didn't even look fit. Norwich had a decent team and cruised to a win.
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cholo
11:40 Mon Jul 31
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My take on Kelly is that he was never an out and out goal scorer in the Cottee mould, he played as a deeper forward for Walsall which didn't pit him directly up against much stronger cb's and wasnt quick enough to get away from them unlike TC.
He found success and was popular at Leicester and then Newcastle so couldn't have been that bad.
Another fuck up by Lyall I'm afraid.
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Northern Sold
11:33 Mon Jul 31
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Think it was the Norwich home game that was the return to UP for Macca.... remember loads of singing in boozers beforehand real positive vibe... packed in the North Bank.... and then a real damp squib as they beat us 0-2...
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Northern Sold
11:27 Mon Jul 31
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Finished the last part on Saturday... absolute fair play to Mr Banks a real labour of love he's completed there... brought back some memories there... mainly good as it was going to football then the game was still just a part of a day out... the real bad game I remember was that Boro' Bernie Slaven game... I think that was the day when everyone thought... that's it we are gone...
Regarding Kelly... was wanted by Bayern Munich the time we signed him?? Yeah he was not the greatest but nowhere near the worst we have had... and if you look at his record he scored goals everywhere... just not as many as he or us would have liked... his best game was probably the 2nd leg of the LC after we got slammed 0-6 at Oldham.... anyway congrats Robert Banks a real superb piece of work.
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twoleftfeet
11:20 Mon Jul 31
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I think the McAvennie signing was to quieten the fans who were starting to get animated.
Some of the signings were appalling, David Kelly is up there with Radford & Chapman. To expect a guy who scored 20 odd goals for Walsall to replicate that in division 1 was beyond belief.
Allan McKnight was dreadful and we had to rely on an ageing Phil Parkes whose knees were shot.
In 86 he should have bought a new goalkeeper, CB, midfielder and CF.
Players were past their sell by dates but he kept loyal to them.
85/86 is still my favourite season though, listening to a small radio whilst working Saturday afternoons.
Thank you Mr Lyall.
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swindon hammer
10:33 Mon Jul 31
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I remember most things from that season and era even though I was only about 12 years old. Yet if you asked me something that happened 5 years ago I would struggle to remember!
Regarding McAvennie, his return wasn’t a success (Although he did score a few when we were in the old second division).
When we sold him in October 1987 he had only scored one goal in his last 27 league matches for us and although he scored goals for Celtic that maybe should have been a warning sign that the 85/86 season was as good as it was going to get for Macca in English football.
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