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Mcavennie 1:35 Wed Feb 29
Main ingredients of a decent boozer
Was reading another thread and it got me thinking.

Some people like old tired looking pubs, some choose pubs based on decent beer or decent food or it's a SPOONS, Sport coverage etc.

A Pub I always used to go in is now shit and I can only really put this down to the staff, it used to be a great laugh with a mixture of grumpy fuckers, fit (ish) barmaids and good banter, but now that seems to have gone and it only has a few people that go in there.

So what in your eyes makes a pub decent?

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wasabi snooter 12:56 Fri Mar 2
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alright mate, take care and have one for me!

aylesham whufc 12:53 Fri Mar 2
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Just off in to town now, to see if a few of the old boys and your brother in law are about for a lunchtime drink

wasabi snooter 12:51 Fri Mar 2
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the dog could be the worst pub imaginable sometimes......... and the best.

aylesham whufc 12:47 Fri Mar 2
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True. I think that most of the things that mentioned about a decent boozer did not apply to that pub, but then again you would not find many others like it.

wasabi snooter 12:44 Fri Mar 2
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dog i know was never quiet

aylesham whufc 12:43 Fri Mar 2
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not quiet

wasabi snooter 12:41 Fri Mar 2
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kensington?

One Raducioiu! 12:41 Fri Mar 2
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My local is pretty close to the perfect pub as far as I'm concerned.

Friendly, personable owners who are on first name terms with all their customers after 1 visit.

Great beer.

No food. (I like a good pub that sells good food. But ultimately, pubs are for drinking and I hate being sat drinking with the smell of an entire family's dinner wafting over. I also hate sitting down to a table covered in vinegar, salt and other crumbs, and I also hate getting stuck behind people ordering their food at the bar and having to wait ages to get served because the barman is doing a drinks order for a table).

Pool room with jukebox.

Occasional, and very very good, live music.

Nice, sheltered, warm smoking area.

2 fires in the winter.

Great regulars. (this is almost certainly the most important ingredient for a good pub).

Regular events throughout the year (pub quiz, harvest festival auction, summer fete in garden, Cornish song nights etc).

Not a chav in sight.

aylesham whufc 12:39 Fri Mar 2
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The Greyhound

wasabi snooter 12:38 Fri Mar 2
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wouldn't know mate, is that a wine bar?

aylesham whufc 12:32 Fri Mar 2
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wasabi snooter 10:28 Thu Mar 1

Definately never happend in the Dog!!

wasabi snooter 12:27 Fri Mar 2
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Pig__Destroyer 10:29 Thu Mar 1

nice one PD - only just read the last bit of your post.

"Fucking idiotic dogshit".

might be idiotic dogshit to you mate but my view on real pubs is mine, and i treasure it.

"Fucking idiotic dogshit" is what everyone else has to put up with when some cunt has to let the world know they've sparked up a fag.

boltkunt 11:28 Fri Mar 2
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Decent birds behind the ramp

Decent selection of beer as well as a decent pint

Not full of old doddery cunts

Clean and tidy

Decent music in the back ground, but not too loud you can't hear anyone talking.

Nice little garden where you can stand outside if a nice day.

Also a nice balance of blokes and birds. Cannot be a sausage fest.

WHU(Exeter) 11:12 Fri Mar 2
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Tim Martin's favourite public houses, are the ones boarded up nearby.

BIT OF POLITICS

easthammer 12:15 Fri Mar 2
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Real Ale, Wooden Floors and Pickled Eggs

Chi-townHammer 12:08 Fri Mar 2
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Yes, he did.

Have to agree with Orwell about big Victorian boozers - love them.

Leonard Hatred 12:01 Fri Mar 2
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Tim Martin based his Wetherspoon pubs on that article.
True.
That was what inspired him.

Chi-townHammer 11:39 Thu Mar 1
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My favourite part - (“Dear,” not “Ducky”: pubs where the barmaid calls you “ducky” always have a disagreeable raffish atmosphere.)





The Moon Under Water
by George Orwell
Evening Standard, 9 February 1946



My favourite public-house, the Moon Under Water, is only two minutes from a bus stop, but it is on a side-street, and drunks and rowdies never seem to find their way there, even on Saturday nights.

Its clientele, though fairly large, consists mostly of “regulars” who occupy the same chair every evening and go there for conversation as much as for the beer.

If you are asked why you favour a particular public-house, it would seem natural to put the beer first, but the thing that most appeals to me about the Moon Under Water is what people call its “atmosphere.”

To begin with, its whole architecture and fittings are uncompromisingly Victorian. It has no glass-topped tables or other modern miseries, and, on the other hand, no sham roof-beams, ingle-nooks or plastic panels masquerading as oak. The grained woodwork, the ornamental mirrors behind the bar, the cast-iron fireplaces, the florid ceiling stained dark yellow by tobacco-smoke, the stuffed bull’s head over the mantelpiece —everything has the solid, comfortable ugliness of the nineteenth century.

In winter there is generally a good fire burning in at least two of the bars, and the Victorian lay-out of the place gives one plenty of elbow-room. There are a public bar, a saloon bar, a ladies’ bar, a bottle-and-jug for those who are too bashful to buy their supper beer publicly, and, upstairs, a dining-room.

Games are only played in the public, so that in the other bars you can walk about without constantly ducking to avoid flying darts.

In the Moon Under Water it is always quiet enough to talk. The house possesses neither a radio nor a piano, and even on Christmas Eve and such occasions the singing that happens is of a decorous kind.

The barmaids know most of their customers by name, and take a personal interest in everyone. They are all middle-aged women —two of them have their hair dyed in quite surprising shades—and they call everyone “dear,” irrespective of age or sex. (“Dear,” not “Ducky”: pubs where the barmaid calls you “ducky” always have a disagreeable raffish atmosphere.)

Unlike most pubs, the Moon Under Water sells tobacco as well as cigarettes, and it also sells aspirins and stamps, and is obliging about letting you use the telephone.

You cannot get dinner at the Moon Under Water, but there is always the snack counter where you can get liver-sausage sandwiches, mussels (a speciality of the house), cheese, pickles and those large biscuits with caraway seeds in them which only seem to exist in public-houses.

Upstairs, six days a week, you can get a good, solid lunch —for example, a cut off the joint, two vegetables and boiled jam roll—for about three shillings.

The special pleasure of this lunch is that you can have draught stout with it. I doubt whether as many as 10 per cent of London pubs serve draught stout, but the Moon Under Water is one of them. It is a soft, creamy sort of stout, and it goes better in a pewter pot.

They are particular about their drinking vessels at the Moon Under Water, and never, for example, make the mistake of serving a pint of beer in a handleless glass. Apart from glass and pewter mugs, they have some of those pleasant strawberry-pink china ones which are now seldom seen in London. China mugs went out about 30 years ago, because most people like their drink to be transparent, but in my opinion beer tastes better out of china.

The great surprise of the Moon Under Water is its garden. You go through a narrow passage leading out of the saloon, and find yourself in a fairly large garden with plane trees, under which there are little green tables with iron chairs round them. Up at one end of the garden there are swings and a chute for the children.

On summer evenings there are family parties, and you sit under the plane trees having beer or draught cider to the tune of delighted squeals from children going down the chute. The prams with the younger children are parked near the gate.

Many as are the virtues of the Moon Under Water, I think that the garden is its best feature, because it allows whole families to go there instead of Mum having to stay at home and mind the baby while Dad goes out alone.

And though, strictly speaking, they are only allowed in the garden, the children tend to seep into the pub and even to fetch drinks for their parents. This, I believe, is against the law, but it is a law that deserves to be broken, for it is the puritanical nonsense of excluding children —and therefore, to some extent, women—from pubs that has turned these places into mere boozing-shops instead of the family gathering-places that they ought to be.

The Moon Under Water is my ideal of what a pub should be —at any rate, in the London area. (The qualities one expects of a country pub are slightly different.)

But now is the time to reveal something which the discerning and disillusioned reader will probably have guessed already. There is no such place as the Moon Under Water.

That is to say, there may well be a pub of that name, but I don’t know of it, nor do I know any pub with just that combination of qualities.

I know pubs where the beer is good but you can’t get meals, others where you can get meals but which are noisy and crowded, and others which are quiet but where the beer is generally sour. As for gardens, offhand I can only think of three London pubs that possess them.

But, to be fair, I do know of a few pubs that almost come up to the Moon Under Water. I have mentioned above ten qualities that the perfect pub should have and I know one pub that has eight of them. Even there, however, there is no draught stout, and no china mugs.

And if anyone knows of a pub that has draught stout, open fires, cheap meals, a garden, motherly barmaids and no radio, I should be glad to hear of it, even though its name were something as prosaic as the Red Lion or the Railway Arms.

simon.s 11:30 Thu Mar 1
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Nightingale in Wanstead is a fantastic boozer. Will be shame if that ever goes. Seems to have most of the attributes that people on here say make a good boozer. The Old Mitre in Hatton Garden is up there too.

Chi-townHammer 10:45 Thu Mar 1
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Double D's !!

Stranded 10:38 Thu Mar 1
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A decent pool table, a decent jukebox, barely any other customers, and a landlord that knows what you drink.

Peeling, nicotine stained flock-wallpaper, brown vinyl seat covers (with big holes in them, repaired with tape), and a KP peanuts display that's only a couple of packets away from revealing the possibly topless girl, are all preferred but not essential.

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