Sven Roeder 8:58 Mon Apr 9
John Major ... election winner 20 years ago today
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Won the General Election 20 years today.
What would have happened if he'd lost in 1992 as expected?
I'm guessing Kinnock would have served one term and had the same problems and the Tories would have come back in 1997 & denied us the services of Tony Blair & Gordon Brown as PM.
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Cordell
8:54 Mon Apr 9
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The first thing that comes to mind from Torys circa 92-97 is the word "sleaze".
Now that has come to mean every single gravy train riding self-serving cunt politician.
To use another metaphor, it's like "What is your favourite vernereal disease?". Bloody politics.
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Joke Whole
3:08 Mon Apr 9
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Eddie B 11:19 Mon Apr 9
I suspect whatever flavour government in power would have allowed unfettered immigration because it was big business's answer to the minimum wage; that being they hive off all that is not "core business" to a myriad of virtually unregulatable agencies & small service companies who then has a limitless supply of ignorant, uneducated workers willing to accept crap terms & conditions.
As soon as any of said workers realise they're being exploited, they're quickly shipped out as "problematic" and there are a dozen equally ignorant & uneducated queueing up to take their place at an equally low wage. Officials come a-snooping, the company folds then opens up again the next day under a different name.
The city gets it's bogs cleaned every night without having to pay the minimum wage, even taking into account any commission or overheads the agency add, and can legally distance themselves from any wage disputes involving workers doing all their shit jobs. What's not for the fat cats to love?
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Alex Bunbury
1:49 Mon Apr 9
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Most people hated the Tories in 1992 but didn't trust Labour enough to vote them back in. Similar thing happened in the last election, people hated Labour but weren't ready to bring a Tory government hence a coalition.
With hindsight John Major was a decent PM let down by some dreadful people in his party.
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New Jersey
12:27 Mon Apr 9
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The ERM wasn't Norman Lamont's fuck up, he just carried the can for it. The real problem was that Thatcher, before she was replaced, insisted on an unsustainable high level of the £ to the German DM, if we were to join the ERM. In fairness to her, she didn't want to join it but was forced to because Howe and Lawson threatened to resign if she didn't.
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southbankbornnbred
11:55 Mon Apr 9
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Ha ha ha!
Are you honestly trying to claim that the introduction of the minumum wage - happening when it did - by a British government was not a 'left of centre' policy?
Don't make me laugh, comma. Of course it was and, deep down, you know it. It was hardly the stuff of communist revolutionaries, granted. But 'left of centre' it was - at the time. Of course Cameron backs it now: because the ludicrous claim by its (then) opponents - that various businesses would fall off a cliff edge after it came into force - proved entirely untrue.
But, come on, you know it was a 'left of centre' policy. As were other Blairite policies. He was hardly a committed socialist in the classic sense of the term, but there is little doubt that he signed-off a sling of 'left of centre' policies that are still in place now. It's why he was tolerated by his party for so long.
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mallard
11:53 Mon Apr 9
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What I meant was Blair's having to shift to the right to gain votes
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,
11:37 Mon Apr 9
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Er, the libdems, a centrist party, also advocated a minimum wage. So too does Cameron.
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southbankbornnbred
11:31 Mon Apr 9
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Er, the introduction of the minimum wage?
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,
11:26 Mon Apr 9
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Blair never had a left of centre policy in his life.
He is more conservative than Cameron.
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mallard
11:21 Mon Apr 9
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Kinnock would never had won as most voters had been heavily influenced by the the right-wing press who crucified him.
It was Blair's more moderate left policies that got him into power.
More interesting though, is what would have happened had Tony Benn been voted in.
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,
11:19 Mon Apr 9
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So did Major win because he was not Thatcher or did he win because he was not Kinnock?
Would we have had the ridiculous Lamont making the ridiculous, and almost ruinous, attempt to shadow the DMark, would we have had the Balkans safe havens, would we have pre agreed to join the Euro at its inception? The list goes on.
Another one to ponder id what if John Smith had lived. Perhaps a Good Friday agreement but no Iraq for sure and probably no 7/7 bombings.
The list of what ifs, eh.
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Eddie B
11:19 Mon Apr 9
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I wonder if Kinnock would've brought in the unlimited immigration that Blair immediately implemented. Probably.
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BigDingus
11:16 Mon Apr 9
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yeah coz everything is jst soooo much better under thr tories isn't it !
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stirlinghammer
11:11 Mon Apr 9
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that drive through brixton was toe curling....
however, the perfect nobody to fill the void between thatcher and the ever smiling goofy quiffy haired cnt
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Sven Roeder
11:08 Mon Apr 9
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Not even sure who the Tory leader would have been in 1997 but if they'd won then the economic uplift i'm sure would have seen them re-elected in 2002.
I thought it was always accepted that most Tory contenders were prepared to let Major lead them to defeat in 92 with the idea of taking over pre 1997 & winning.
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southbankbornnbred
11:02 Mon Apr 9
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Good question, although I suspect that 'all' a Tory victory (against Kinnock) in '97 would have done is delay Blair until 2002. What it might have done, bizarrely, is cast adrift Brown completely in Labour leadership terms.
If Kinnock had won in '92, Blair would have grown stronger on the shadow team throughout the inevitable Tory government of '97-2002. Having then won a 2002 election, he would most likely have felt no compulsion to stand down after 'just' six years by 2008. There's a chance we'd still be living with Blair right now.
Imagine that, if you will...
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Mr Polite
10:51 Mon Apr 9
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Monk~koknee 9:06 Mon Apr 9
i like that
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,
10:51 Mon Apr 9
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The other thing to consider is would Thatcher have won that election had she been in charge.
Yet another point is what would have happened to the career of john Sergeant.
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stewie griffin
10:47 Mon Apr 9
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Saul Bollox 10:47 Mon Apr 9
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Saul Bollox
10:47 Mon Apr 9
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As far as Conservative PMs go he was not that bad. He started to clear up the mess left by the cunt before him and left a platform to build on for the next ten years of relative prosperity.
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Pringle
9:10 Mon Apr 9
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Sorry Sven .......
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