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dicksie3 8:10 Fri Mar 6
Millwall Away - 1990
I've heard my old man's stories of the absolute CARNAGE that day - kick-off being delayed for 30 minutes because of all the fighting and pubs being smashed-in...

What about anyone else on here who was there for the 1-1 draw?...

Seems to be down as one of the most PWOPAAH NAWTIEST Away Days in the club's history...

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Son of Anarchy 6:04 Sat Feb 11
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
I was there coz i ard

jfk 4:37 Sat Feb 11
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
Going to milwall was always lively.most millwall will admit coming to ours was similar.The difference is they are fucking crap.
Shit team,shit gobby fans, shit league.
I hope they continue to fail miserably.A shit stain of a club





















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Benny the Bus 2:02 Sat Feb 11
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
Brilliant.

Angel dust.

Young Hammers!!

The ICF were fabulous.

SDKFZ 222 4:34 Mon Oct 31
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
I've been to the Harry Cripps Testimonial, the 78-79 2-1 loss and the 1990 matches at the old Den. Each were 'interesting' in their own way. The relative handbags on Wednesday evening was absolutely nothing in comparison.

The only comparison to Millwall away that I've been to, and that I can think of, were a number of tasty affairs at St. Andrews during the 80's and 90's. Even the League cup semi 5 years ago paled into insignificance compared with those.

Bullet 4:12 Mon Oct 31
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C***s got away with murder.

account of the prosecution's case against John Johnstone.

John Johnstone belonged to a large group of Millwall supporters who,
after attending an afternoon match against Crystal Palace, boarded the
train to Charing Cross in London. The journey is only ten minutes, but
during it Johnstone became violent. According to the prosecution,
Johnstone approached one of the ordinary, paying passengers and ripped
the newspaper that he was reading out of his hands. He then punched him
repeatedly in the face. A ticket collector intervened, and Johnstone
turned on him.

Word of the trouble reached the driver, who radioed on ahead to the
Transport Police at Charing Cross, and John Johnstone and his friends --
there were six in all -- were apprehended when they arrived. They were
not held for long, however, and were soon free to carry on with their
plans for the evening.

These plans were not ambitious. In fact, Johnstone and his friends never
ventured further than three hundred yards from the station where their
evening began. Their first stop was the McDonald's on the Strand. They
were there for a only few (sic) moments before Johnstone pulled out a
knife and threatened a skinhead who was eating a hamburger. When another
skinhead appeared, one of Johnstone's friends walked up to him and poked
him in the eye.

Johnstone and his friends made their way to Trafalgar Square, stopping
briefly at the Admiral Nelson Pub on Northumberland Avenue, where they
posed as doormen, charging people money to enter, threatening them if
they didn't pay. When they finally reached Trafalgar Square, there was
more trouble, occasioned by a man with a spider tattoo in the middle of
his forehead. Johnstone and his friends found a spider tattoo to be an
intolerable thing, and so they beat the man up.

They made their way back to Charing Cross Station, where one of
Johnstone's mates, Gary Greaves, hit a young man across the face -- a
stranger, standing on his own -- and knocked him down. Greaves then
kicked the man in the head, and the others joined in. A bus driver and
his wife, parked nearby, waiting to pick up passengers from a train
arriving later in the evening, witnessed the violence and felt compelled
to try to stop it. And, to an extent they succeeded -- the lads
abandoned the man on the ground -- but they then turned on the bus
driver and his wife, and both of them, man and woman, were badly beaten.

I don't know how long Johnstone and his friends remained at Charing
Cross. The next sighting was in the Underground station. The Charing
Cross Underground station is large and complex, a network of passageways
connecting the three tube stops at Trafalgar Square, Charing Cross, and
the Embankment. Near the steps of the Embankment they met up with Terry
Burns. Terry Burns was with friends, and they were panicky and
frightened, having run into the Underground to flee a fight that had
broken out at a Covent Garden pub. I infer from the prosecution's
depiction that the West End, on this Saturday night, was a menacing
place to be. There is no mention of the muhc larger group of Millwall
supporters from whom Johnstone and his friends were separated when they
arrived in London. It is likely that, if the larger group was not
involved in the fight that Terry Burns and his friends were fleeing
from, then it would have been in another fight not far from there. There
would have been many gangs of football supporters that night in the West
End.

As it turns out, Terry Burns was a West Ham supporter. Johnstone and his
friends had been looking for football supporters all evening, knowing
that they were about, and would have been frustrated at continuing to
meet up only with skinheads, men with nonconformist tattoos, strangers,
bus drivers, and lonely British Rail commuters. It must have been an
exciting thing finally to find some genuine football supporters. I am
sure, as well, that Johnstone detected the panic and fear that Terry
Burns felt -- it would have been apparent in his face; it would have
been a presence like a smell -- and Johnstone would have found this to
be exciting as well. The result was violence of an altogether different
order.

Johnstone and his friends charged into the strangers, stabbing one in
the neck and arm. Burns fled and ran out of the station and up into
Villiers Street. According to the prosecution, Johnstone then ran after
him, shouting, 'Kill the bastard,' his friends not far behind. They
caught up with him in the street, and the group sprinted through Covent
Garden in pursuit. They were chanting 'Millwall' over and over again.
Terry Burns was unable to run fast enough -- the Millwall supporters
were directly behind him -- and he tried to escape through a side street
that turned out to be a dead end. The only detail we have is of a
bicycle -- Terry Burns picked it up to defend himself -- but I imagine
the bowel-seizing terror that Burns must have felt on realizing that he
was cornered. I imagine him casting round for a way out -- the door
bells, the wall -- before he picked up the nearest thing to hand, this
unmanageable shield of spokes and tubes, to fend off what he knew would
come pounding down the pavement in a moment's time.

Terry Burns died. He was stabbed six times. Each stabbing punctured the
heart.

Terry Burns was not killed by a crowd; he was killed by a gang; but the
distinction between crowd and gang violence is probably not meaningful
in this case: it was only by chance that John Johnstone and his maes
were separated form the crowd of Millwall supporters. The killing,
however, wasn't in itself of interest. It was the quality of the evening
-- the desultory episodic nature of the violence and the sense of
boredom that characterized it: this was violence of the most extreme
kind, because there was nothing else to do."

mallard 6:11 Sun Oct 30
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
Don't remember the West Ham getting stabbed, had to google it.



Terry Burns, 19, was stabbed to death in Embankment tube station on 4 October 1986.

The teenage labourer from Maidstone was visiting the West End for a night out with a friend when he was attacked at around 11pm.

Witnesses said a gang of around a dozen youths chased Mr Burns 150 yards down the street into the tube station.

Mr Burns, who was a West Ham fan, went through the ticket barrier but was stabbed six times in the chest and abdomen.

It was reported that the attackers had been drinking in nearby Villiers Street that afternoon and were chanting 'Millwall'. It was also suggested they assaulted or goaded other people before the fatal attack on Terry Burns.

Detective Superintendent Gerry Pope said there was nothing to suggest Mr Burns knew his attackers.

He told LBC in an interview: 'They asked Terry what team he supported. He was an ardent supporter of West Ham and he told them.

'They started to shout they were Millwall and in fact attacked his friend first of all. He got stabbed in the neck very badly and the arm.

'Both lads ran off down to the station and one [his friend] escaped by going across the Embankment.

'Terry ran into the tube station, through the ticket barrier and was cornered on the other side. He received a number of stab wounds in the abdomen and chest.'

The gang then crossed on to the south side of the Thames via Hungerford Bridge.

Two men, Trevor Dunn, 21, of Brockley, and John Johnstone, 21, from Lewisham, were charged with murder and went on trial at the Old Bailey in November 1987. Both were acquitted of murder on the judge's direction due to lack of evidence.

Judge Robert Lymbery QC said: 'The stabbing of Terry Burns whether at the top of Villiers Street or in Embankment underground station was not actually seen by any of the crown witnesses at all.

'It seems to me one could not really proceed further with that charge against both on this evidence without a certain amount of suspicion or speculation.'



Poor sod - RIP

Syd Puddefoot 4:13 Sun Oct 30
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I went to an away weekday evening match, probably 1979 I reckon, and parked near the station in order to make use of the police escort after the game, (unlike most we were not looking for trouble and in fact were doing everybody possible to try and avoid it). The plan worked very well until we realised we had parked by the wrong station. New Cross Gate / New Cross, forget which was right and which was wrong now. Ended up having to walk back past the ground very late at night on our own. Not at all unnerving.

One Word 1:18 Sun Oct 30
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Bullet, the West Ham fan who died, was at Charing Cross

23ad 12:07 Sun Oct 30
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1978 It was Forest that got run out of south bank onto pitch , they has just come up from Div 2 (and won Div1then Europeon Cup) around 1200 of them ended up being escorted down tunnel and out of ground -too scared to go back onto terraces
Millwall 78 only 20,000 crowd cause of expected trouble, Police separated rival fans on south bank with dogs 72 Harry Cripps testimonial non stop fighting throughout whole game in Millwalls CBL end absolute mayhem

cambsiron 11:15 Sun Oct 30
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I was at the 1978 game at Upton Park and it's not quite correct that Milwall were chased out of the ground and didn't come back in.

About an hour before kick off there was the usual line of police in the south bank - no segregation railings in those days! The West Ham fans charged at the police and got through. There was only about 70-80 Millwall fans there at the time and they legged it to the side of the south bank and some climbed the wall to get away. By the time kick off came there were huge contingents of Milwall and West Ham trying to get to each other but by then there were two lines of police with a gap between them. The police lines were constantly bulging under the pressure but managed to hold up.

I was only 16 at the time of the game and decided to go to the game as a bit of bravado, despite all the pre-match horror stories in the media. We walked Forest Gate to avoid potential problems on the tube. As we got to Queens market area there were big mobs of West Ham just waiting, I would say around 3 or 4 mobs of about 150 each. We scuttled off into the ground for safety reasons!

The lad that I went with was an Ipswich fan and he commented afterwards that he never knew West Ham were hard!!!

Bullet 2:39 Sun Oct 30
Re: Millwall Away - 1990
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/19466/the-week-that-was-21st-sept-1976-charlton-0-west-ham-1

Remember my mate was one of the six who got nicked for throwing a brick that night. After Ian Pratts death that night nothing was the same, they handed out leaflets to kill a West Ham fan (they stabbed a West Ham fan to death at New Cross not long after) a few mates got done on the metropolitan line going up from new cross both were on their own when about a dozen got on. Neither had colours one had a tin can shoved in his face over 100 stitches, the other was badly beaten. Six of us were coming back on the same line a few weeks later and waiting for the train to pull away when 30 Wall turn up hunting West Ham, we saw them and one came on the train and asked us if we had been to the game, my mate is Irish and said we had just finished work so they believed us. I fucking hate these cunts like no other.

normannomates 1:45 Sun Oct 30
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They got done that day...which they dispute
WHU in our pomp.

Wall are and always have been the only rival.

epsom 1:39 Sun Oct 30
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Any Old Iron 1:28 Sun Oct 30

Two of us got it bad from about 10+ of them, in a very public space. 2 OB were there and did nothing to stop it.

It was a bit of a comedy scene in that they would be kicking the lump out of one of us, then the other would get up again and pile in, then they would leave the one on the ground for the one who just piled in. We were cut to shreds in the end.

Going to the 78 match, was on the tube when it pulled into Whitechapel and the Wall got on. That was a character defining moment in my life. Just sat there and counted the cigarette stubs on the floor for the rest of the journey.

By recollection, they were charged out about 3 times from the Southbank and eventually did not come back in.

This was long before the days of a "Chai Latte".

only1billybonds 1:35 Sun Oct 30
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AOI

Yep,if those cunts put you down it was a long time before yoj got up again. Got it from 3 of them while i was waiting for my old mam in a pup in Deptford.

Any Old Iron 1:28 Sun Oct 30
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Ronald_antly 10:55 Fri Mar 6
Sanctimonious and ignorant cunt.

It's those of us who've been to Millwall a few times (my first was Harry Cripps testimonial, ha, ha!) know just what a load of knicker wetting bollocks the reaction to Wednesdays 'violence' was.
I'll be honest and admit that out of all the grounds I've been to Millwall was easily the most disturbing. Those cunts were absolutely determined to 'beat' us and would use anything at their disposal to do us.
I've had a kicking from them, but funnily enough it wasn't at one of our visits to Cold Blow Lane. I won't go into details again 'cos last time I did I had a load of tossers on here accuse me of making it up. But if anyone's been on the end of a battering from them you'll know they don't hold back.

ACIrons 1:12 Sun Oct 30
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Wednesday wasn't even violence.

It was pathetic.

ACIrons 1:11 Sun Oct 30
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Like all these things, big for first timers. 88/89 was bigger, prevoius more evil, Harry Cripps testimonial was the ONE. It's all in the past, NOTHING comes close these days, NOTHING.

Dicko75 10:22 Sat Oct 29
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Remember how rammed the away end was and mental celebrations when we equalised. Escort back and into the station afterwards took absolutely ages and can remember thinking I was going to pass out through the crushing

Crazy In Cremonese 10:02 Sat Oct 29
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I was there, and my abiding memory of the game was the frenzied celebrations in the away end after Frankie Mac equalised...everyone went bonkers for about 10 minutes afterwards! Must have been 7,000 Hammers crammed into the away end...this day absolutely summed up what being West Ham meant in those days. Genuinely feel sorry for anyone who wasn't there!!

Oi wot u looking at? 9:51 Sat Oct 29
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It was great. Police said afterward that let let a thousand in without tickets to stop a pre match Jihad. Had to look up what Jihad meant at the time.

mallard 6:54 Sat Oct 29
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I think it's the fact of not playing them enough that makes the rivalry so fierce

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