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mashed in maryland 6:00 Fri Nov 13
Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?

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Nurse Ratched 11:35 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
I do like the sound of Ai, who is also Ashtarte. It occurs to me that she has the measure of you bastards.

Isis sounds a bit dim.

Ronald_antly 5:34 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Worst Case Ontario 12:24 Sat Nov 14

And why would I know or care?

stomper 4:52 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Nurse Ratched 4:41 Sat Nov 14
I think you would like Ai, who I think is also Ashtarte, Unstoppable misanthropic bitch goddess. Right up your street I would think Nurse.
You could also try Isis who is a pretty wonderful goddess whose tears fertilise the world

Nurse Ratched 4:41 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
"They had some really shitty gods and especially goddesses who decided to wipe out humanity because they were to damn noisy."

Totally justifiable.

Would praying to these gods and goddesses yield results?

Annony 4:02 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
If interested, well worth a trip to the British Museum to see a huge range from the Empire. Much was stolen during the gulf wars and destroyed now by Muslims in Iraq.

Annony 3:57 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
What did the Assyrians ever give us?

There are more than this, my particular favourite is prostitution which came from the whore of Babylon or was that the Babylonions, well their all Mesopotamians.

Seed Plow.
Ox Drawn Plow.
Mortar & Pestle.
Sickle & Flint Blade.
Domestication of Animals.
Cultivation of Grains.

Frying Pans.
Drinking Straws.

Number 0.
24 Hours in a Day.
Longitute & Latitude.
60 mintues in an Hour.
Pythagorean Theorem.
360 Degrees in a Circle.
60 seconds in a Minute.

Scuba Diving.
Medical Writing.
Formal Medicine.
Chemical Battery.
Medical Prescriptions.


City Building.
Guest Houses.
Rosette Design.
Mailing System.
Urban Plumbing.
Archimedes' Screw.
Cobblestone Streets.
Lock & Key.
Chain Pump.

Sheet Music.
Creation Story.
Mermaid Mythology.
First Superhero (Gilgamesh).
First Epic Novel (Gilgamesh).

Greek Fire.
Use of Calvary.
Battering Rams.
Underwater Tunnel.
Moveable Towers.
War Horse Decorations.

First Ceos.
Female Equality.
The Lens.
Judical Code of Laws.
First Writing System (Cuneiform).
1 of the 7 Wonders of the World.
Funerary Objects.
Shaving Cream.
The Cart.
The First University (School of Nisibis).
Banknotes (drafts).

stomper 3:25 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Oh and please dont post entire Wikipedia articles

stomper 3:24 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Hammer and Pickle 10:43 Fri Nov 13

Not so! Gilgamesh spoke to the original Noah. They had some really shitty gods and especially goddesses who decided to wipe out humanity because they were to damn noisy.
I think the flood was caused by the Goddess Ai who at another time threatened to resurrect the dead so that they would overwhelm the living.

Worst Case Ontario 12:24 Sat Nov 14
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Surprised you aren't well versed in this stuff Ronald. Ain't they where the ancient aliens landed or something?

Slow_Joe 11:17 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
No, are they African American girls names?

Willtell 11:07 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
WHO f*cking cares?

Ronald_antly 10:51 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
You want me to discuss whether I'm familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?

OK, here goes.

No I'm not.

End of discussion.

HairyHammer 10:46 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Nope, but i bet the British army know something about it.

Hammer and Pickle 10:43 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Amazing maths, astronomy and excellent stone carving (tea leafed to the British Museum).

Gilgamesh was the original Noah.

Blokes with beards.

That's it.

HairyHammer 10:41 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
wow wow wow

Russ of the BML 10:36 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Rios: You asked me that question. Surely when you ask someone that type of question you know the answer. So why the need for Wikipedia? And more to the point and in relation to the thread it was on "Why would the average Syrian give a flying fuck?"

mashed in maryland 6:11 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?

the coming of gary 6:08 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
'Tigris and Euphrates' is an award winning German boardgame

Now the krauts are getting the real thing

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:05 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
I like it when posters revel in their own ignorance.

riosleftsock 6:04 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
Good job Wikipedia is here

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the ancient city-state in Mesopotamia. For other uses, see Ur (disambiguation).
Ur Arabic: أور‎
The ruins of Ur, with the Ziggurat of Ur visible in the background
Ur is located in Iraq
Shown within Iraq
Location Tell el-Muqayyar, Dhi Qar Province, Iraq
Region Mesopotamia
Coordinates 30°57′45″N 46°06′11″ECoordinates: 30°57′45″N 46°06′11″E
Type Settlement
Founded c. 3800 BC
Abandoned after 500 BC
Periods Ubaid period to Iron Age
Cultures Sumerian
Site notes
Excavation dates 1853-1854, 1922-1934
Archaeologists John Taylor, Charles Woolley
This article contains special characters. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols.

Ur (Sumerian: Urim;[1] Sumerian Cuneiform: 𒋀𒀕𒆠 URIM2KI or 𒋀𒀊𒆠 URIM5KI;[2] Akkadian: Uru;[3] Arabic: أور‎) was an important Sumerian city-state in ancient Mesopotamia, located at the site of modern Tell el-Muqayyar (Arabic: تل المقير‎) in south Iraq's Dhi Qar Governorate.[4] Although Ur was once a coastal city near the mouth of the Euphrates on the Persian Gulf, the coastline has shifted and the city is now well inland, south of the Euphrates on its right bank, 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) from Nasiriyah.[5]

The city dates from the Ubaid period circa 3800 BC, and is recorded in written history as a City State from the 26th century BC, its first recorded king being Mesh-Ane-pada. The city's patron deity was Nanna (in Akkadian, Sin), the Sumerian and Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian) moon god, and the name of the city is in origin derived from the god's name, URIM2KI being the classical Sumerian spelling of LAK-32.UNUGKI, literally "the abode (UNUG) of Nanna (LAK-32)".[5]

The site is marked by the partially restored ruins of the Ziggurat of Ur, which contained the shrine of Nanna, excavated in the 1930s. The temple was built in the 21st century BC (short chronology), during the reign of Ur-Nammu and was reconstructed in the 6th century BC by Nabonidus, the Assyrian born last king of Babylon. The ruins cover an area of 1,200 metres (3,900 ft) northwest to southeast by 800 metres (2,600 ft) northeast to southwest and rise up to about 20 metres (66 ft) above the present plain level.[6]


1 History
1.1 Prehistory
1.2 Third millennium BC (Early Bronze Age)
1.3 Later Bronze Age
1.4 Iron Age
2 Biblical Ur
2.1 Ur in Islamic tradition
3 Archaeology
3.1 Archaeological remains
3.2 Preservation
4 See also
5 Data
6 Notes
7 References
8 External links


Archaeologists have discovered the evidence of an early occupation at Ur during the Ubaid period (ca. 6500 to 3800 BC). These early levels were sealed off with a sterile deposit of soil that was interpreted by excavators of the 1920s as evidence for the Great Flood of the book of Genesis and Epic of Gilgamesh. It is now understood that the South Mesopotamian plain was exposed to regular floods from the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers, with heavy erosion from water and wind, which may have given rise to the Mesopotamian and derivative Biblical Great Flood stories.[7] The further occupation of Ur only becomes clear during its emergence in the third millennium BC (although it must already have been a growing urban center during the fourth millennium). The third millennium BC is generally described as the Early Bronze Age of Mesopotamia, which ends approximately after the demise of the Third Dynasty of Ur in the 21st century BC.
Third millennium BC (Early Bronze Age)
Mesopotamia in the 3rd millennium BC, with Ur (south) to Nineveh in the north.

There are two main sources which inform scholars about the importance of Ur during the Early Bronze Age. The first is a large body of cuneiform documents, mostly from the empire of the so-called Third Dynasty of Ur, at the very end of the third millennium. This was the most centralized bureaucratic state the world had yet known. Concerning the earlier centuries, the Sumerian King List provides a tentative political history of ancient Sumer.

The second source of information is archaeological work in modern Iraq. Although the early centuries (first half of the third millennium and earlier) are still poorly understood, the archaeological discoveries have shown unequivocally that Ur was a major urban center on the Mesopotamian plain. Especially the discovery of the Royal Tombs have confirmed its splendour. These tombs, which date to the Early Dynastic IIIa period (approximately in the 25th or 24th century BC), contained immense amounts of luxury items made out of precious metals, and semi-precious stones, all of which would have required importation from long distances (Iran, Afghanistan, India, Asia Minor, the Persian Gulf).[6] This wealth, unparalleled up to then, is a testimony of Ur's economic importance during the Early Bronze Age.[8]

Archaeological research of the region has also contributed greatly to our understanding of the landscape and long-distance interactions that took place during these ancient times. We know that Ur was the most important port on the Persian Gulf, which extended much further inland than it does today. All the wealth which came to Mesopotamia by sea had to pass through Ur.[citation needed]

So far evidence for the earliest periods of the Early Bronze Age in Mesopotamia is very limited. Mesh-Ane-pada is the first king mentioned in the Sumerian King List, and appears to have lived in the 26th century BC. That Ur was an important urban centre already then seems to be indicated by a type of cylinder seal called the City Seals. These seals contain a set of proto-cuneiform signs which appear to be writings or symbols of the name of city-states in ancient Sumer. Many of these seals have been found in Ur, and the name of Ur is prominent on them.[9]

Ur came under the control of the Akkadian Empire founded by Sargon the Great between the 24th and 22nd centuries BC. This was a period when the Semitic Akkadians of Mesopotamia gained ascendancy over the Sumerians, and indeed much of the ancient Near East.

After the fall of the Akkadian Empire in the mid-22nd century BC, southern Mesopotamia came to be ruled for a few decades by the Gutians, a barbarian people originating in the Zagros Mountains to the north-east of Mesopotamia, while the Assyrian branch of the Akkadian Semites reasserted their independence in the north of Mesopotamia.
Empire of the Third Dynasty of Ur. West is at top, North at right.

The third dynasty was established when the king Ur-Nammu came to power, ruling between ca. 2047 BC and 2030 BC. During his rule, temples, including the ziggurat, were built, and agriculture was improved through irrigation. His code of laws, the Code of Ur-Nammu (a fragment was identified in Istanbul in 1952) is one of the oldest such documents known, preceding the Code of Hammurabi by 300 years. He and his successor Shulgi were both deified during their reigns, and after his death he continued as a hero-figure: one of the surviving works of Sumerian literature describes the death of Ur-Nammu and his journey to the underworld.[10] About that time, the houses in the city were two-storied villas with 13 or 14 rooms, with plastered interior walls.[11][dubious – discuss]

Ur-Nammu was succeeded by Shulgi, the greatest king of the Third Dynasty of Ur, who solidified the hegemony of Ur and reformed the empire into a highly centralized bureaucratic state. Shulgi ruled for a long time (at least 42 years) and deified himself halfway through his rule.[12]

The Ur empire continued through the reigns of three more kings with Semitic Akkadian names,[7] Amar-Sin, Shu-Sin, and Ibbi-Sin. It fell around 1940 BC to the Elamites in the 24th regnal year of Ibbi-Sin, an event commemorated by the Lament for Ur.[13][14]

According to one estimate, Ur was the largest city in the world from c. 2030 to 1980 BC. Its population was approximately 65,000.[15]

2011 research indicates that the area was struck by drought conditions from 2200 to 2000 BC. The population dropped by 93%. Ur was sacked twice by nomads during this time. At the end of this drought, the use of the Sumerian language died out.[16]
Later Bronze Age

The city of Ur lost its political power after the demise of the Third Dynasty of Ur. Nevertheless its important position which kept on providing access to the Persian Gulf ensured the ongoing economic importance of the city during the second millennium BC. The splendour of the city, the might of the empire, the greatness of king Shulgi, and undoubtedly the efficient propaganda of the state endured throughout Mesopotamian history. Shulgi was a well known historical figure for at least another two thousand years, while historical narratives of the Mesopotamian societies of Assyria and Babylonia kept names, events, and mythologies in remembrance. The city came to be ruled by the first dynasty (Amorite) of Babylonia which rose to prominence in southern Mesopotamia in the 18th century BC. After the fall of Hammurabi's short lived Babylonian Empire, it later became a part of the native Akkadian ruled Sealand Dynasty for over 270 years, and was reconquered into Babylonia by the successors of the Amorites, the Kassites in the 16th century BC. During the Kassite Dynastic period Ur, along with the rest of Babylonia, came under sporadic control of the Elamites and Middle Assyrian Empire.
Iron Age

The city, along with the rest of southern Mesopotamia and much of the Near East, Asia Minor, North Africa and southern Caucasus, fell to the north Mesopotamian Assyrian Empire from the 10th to late 7th centuries BC. From the end of the 7th century BC Ur was ruled by the so-called Chaldean Dynasty of Babylon. In the 6th century BC there was new construction in Ur under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon. The last Babylonian king, Nabonidus (who was Assyrian born, and not a Chaldean), improved the ziggurat. However the city started to decline from around 550 BC and was no longer inhabited after about 500 BC by which time Babylonia had fallen to the Persian Achaemenid Empire.[7] The demise of Ur was perhaps owing to drought, changing river patterns, and the silting of the outlet to the Persian Gulf.
Biblical Ur
Main article: Ur Kaśdim

Ur is considered by many to be the city of Ur Kasdim mentioned in the Book of Genesis (Biblical Hebrew אוּר) as the birthplace of the Hebrew patriarch Abram (Abraham; Aramaic: Oraham, Arabic: Ibrahim), traditionally believed to be some time in the 2nd millennium BC.

Ur is mentioned four times in the Torah or Old Testament, with the distinction "of the Kasdim/Kasdin"—traditionally rendered in English as "Ur of the Chaldees". The Chaldeans were already settled in the vicinity by around 850 BC, but were not the rulers of Ur until the late 7th century BC. The name is found in Genesis 11:28, Genesis 11:31, and Genesis 15:7. In Nehemiah 9:7, a single passage mentioning Ur is a paraphrase of Genesis. (Nehemiah 9:7)

The Book of Jubilees states that Ur was founded in 1688 Anno Mundi (year of the world) by 'Ur son of Kesed, presumably the offspring of Arphaxad, adding that in this same year wars began on Earth.

"And 'Ur, the son of Kesed, built the city of 'Ara of the Chaldees, and called its name after his own name and the name of his father." (i.e., Ur Kasdim) (Jubilees 11:3).[17]

Ur in Islamic tradition

According to Islamic texts, the prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) was thrown into the fire here. In the story, the temperature of the king's fire was reduced by God, saving the life of Ibrahim. While the Qur'an does not mention the king's name, Muslim commentators have assigned Nimrod as the king based on Jewish sources, namely the Book of Jasher (11:1 and 12:6).[18]

In 1625, the site was visited by Pietro della Valle, who recorded the presence of ancient bricks stamped with strange symbols, cemented together with bitumen, as well as inscribed pieces of black marble that appeared to be seals.

The site was first excavated in 1853 and 1854 by John George Taylor, British vice consul at Basra from 1851 to 1859.[19][20][21] He worked on behalf of the British Museum. He had been instructed to do so by the Foreign Office. Taylor found clay cylinders in the four corners of the top stage of the ziggurat which bore an inscription of Nabonidus (Nabuna`id), the last king of Babylon (539 BC), closing with a prayer for his son Belshar-uzur (Bel-ŝarra-Uzur), the Belshazzar of the Book of Daniel. Evidence was found of prior restorations of the ziggurat by Ishme-Dagan of Isin and Shu-Sin of Ur, and by Kurigalzu, a Kassite king of Babylon in the 14th century BC. Nebuchadnezzar also claims to have rebuilt the temple. Taylor further excavated an interesting Babylonian building, not far from the temple, part of an ancient Babylonian necropolis. All about the city he found abundant remains of burials of later periods. Apparently, in later times, owing to its sanctity, Ur became a favorite place of sepulchres, so that even after it had ceased to be inhabited, it continued to be used as a necropolis.

Typical of the era, his excavations destroyed information and exposed the tell. Natives used the now loosened, 4000-year-old bricks and tile for construction for the next 75 years, while the site lay unexplored.[22][dubious – discuss]

After Taylor's time, the site was visited by numerous travelers, almost all of whom have found ancient Babylonian remains, inscribed stones and the like, lying upon the surface. The site was considered rich in remains, and relatively easy to explore. After some soundings were made in 1918 by Reginald Campbell Thompson, H. R. Hill worked the site for one season for the British Museum in 1919, laying the groundwork for more extensive efforts to follow.[23][24]

Excavations from 1922 to 1934 were funded by the British Museum and the University of Pennsylvania and led by the archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Woolley.[25][26][27] A total of about 1,850 burials were uncovered, including 16 that were described as "royal tombs" containing many valuable artifacts, including the Standard of Ur. Most of the royal tombs were dated to about 2600 BC. The finds included the unlooted tomb of a queen thought to be Queen Puabi[28]—the name is known from a cylinder seal found in the tomb, although there were two other different and unnamed seals found in the tomb. Many other people had been buried with her, in a form of human sacrifice. Near the ziggurat were uncovered the temple E-nun-mah and buildings E-dub-lal-mah (built for a king), E-gi-par (residence of the high priestess) and E-hur-sag (a temple building). Outside the temple area, many houses used in everyday life were found. Excavations were also made below the royal tombs layer: a 3.5-metre-thick (11 ft) layer of alluvial clay covered the remains of earlier habitation, including pottery from the Ubaid period, the first stage of settlement in southern Mesopotamia. Woolley later wrote many articles and books about the discoveries.[29] One of Woolley's assistants on the site was the archaeologist Max Mallowan. The discoveries at the site reached the headlines in mainstream media in the world with the discoveries of the Royal Tombs. As a result the ruins of the ancient city attracted many visitors. One of these visitors was the already famous Agatha Christie, who as a result of this visit became the wife of Max Mallowan.

Most of the treasures excavated at Ur are in the British Museum and the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. At the Penn Museum the exhibition "Iraq's Ancient Past",[30] which includes many of the most famous pieces from the Royal Tombs, opened to visitors in late Spring 2011. Previously, the Penn Museum had sent many of its best pieces from Ur on tour in an exhibition called "Treasures From the Royal Tombs of Ur." It traveled to eight American museums, including those in Cleveland, Washington and Dallas, ending the tour at the Detroit Institute of Art in May 2011.

In 2009, an agreement was reached for a joint University of Pennsylvania and Iraqi team to resume archaeological work at the site of Ur.[31]
Archaeological remains

Though some of the areas that were cleared during modern excavations have sanded over again, the Great Ziggurat is fully cleared and stands as the best-preserved and most visible landmark at the site.[32] The famous Royal tombs, also called the Neo-Sumerian Mausolea, located about 250 metres (820 ft) south-east of the Great Ziggurat in the corner of the wall that surrounds the city, are nearly totally cleared. Parts of the tomb area appear to be in need of structural consolidation or stabilization.

There are cuneiform (Sumerian writing) on many walls, some entirely covered in script stamped into the mud-bricks. The text is sometimes difficult to read, but it covers most surfaces. Modern graffiti has also found its way to the graves, usually in the form of names made with coloured pens (sometimes they are carved). The Great Ziggurat itself has far more graffiti, mostly lightly carved into the bricks. The graves are completely empty. A small number of the tombs are accessible. Most of them have been cordoned off. The whole site is covered with pottery debris, to the extent that it is virtually impossible to set foot anywhere without stepping on some. Some have colours and paintings on them. Some of the "mountains" of broken pottery are debris that has been removed from excavations. Pottery debris and human remains form many of the walls of the royal tombs area. It can only be speculated whether this is of ancient making or modern restoration, but it is a fact that they are, literally, filled up with pottery debris.[citation needed]

In May 2009, the United States Army returned the Ur site to the Iraqi authorities, who hope to develop it as a tourist destination.[33]

Since 2009, the non-profit organization Global Heritage Fund (GHF) has been working to protect and preserve Ur against the problems of erosion, neglect, inappropriate restoration, war and conflict. GHF's stated goal for the project is to create an informed and scientifically grounded Master Plan to guide the long-term conservation and management of the site, and to serve as a model for the stewardship of other sites.[34]

Since 2013, the institution for Development Cooperation of the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs DGCS and the SBAH, the State Board of Antiquities and Heritage of the Iraqi Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities, have started a cooperation project for "The Conservation and Maintenance of Archaeological site of UR". In the framework of this cooperation agreement, the executive plan, with detailed drawings, is in progress for the maintenance of the Dublamah Temple (design concluded, works starting), the Royal Tombs -Mausolea 3rd Dynasty- (in progress) and the Ziqqurat (in progress). The first updated survey in 2013 has produced a new aerial map derived by the flight of a UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) operated in March 2014. This is the first high resolution map, derived from more than 100 aerial photograms, with an accuracy of 20 cm or less. A preview of the ORTHO-PHOTOMAP of Archaeological Site of UR is available here."

Amputee Actor 6:04 Fri Nov 13
Re: Are you familiar with the history of Assyria, Mesopotamia and the City of Ur?
It's all lies.

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