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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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, 6:13 Mon Oct 22
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You cannot compare Greenland with NI because NI is part of the UK and Greenland is different. I won’t list the differences as they are so obvious. For Brexiters to quote the so called Greenland case is simplistic and misleading......for a purpose I suspect.

, 6:08 Mon Oct 22
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Er, the EU has every right to insist on how one of its borders is monitored. Just because we appear to want a laissez faire arrangement is not the fault of the EU.

I call that an organisation protecting its interests and it would be silly not to. Here again we are subject to the broad brush Brexiters that are the likes of Mogg, Davis and Johnson to name but three. They see no problems and thus do not acknowledge the ramifications of their wishes.

zebthecat 6:06 Mon Oct 22
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:44 Mon Oct 22

Nice straw man you have there

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:02 Mon Oct 22
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Are you and Gav both stupid? The comparison is not Greenland with Britain, it is Greenland with NI, or Ireland even, but emphatically, not Britain.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:58 Mon Oct 22
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Nonsense. If that was the case we'd just say, 'OK, cool, we'll monitor it' - what's next.

They are attempting to dictate the way that monitoring happens.

, 5:53 Mon Oct 22
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The EU is not insisting on a hard border with NI at all. It is saying that without agreements in place the movement of goods across the border must be monitored, simple as that. Yet again the Brexiters say the EU insist this and that but the fact is we all knew the rules and the Brexiters want an exemption. The UK is not being made an example of it is simply being treated as a country outwith the EU.

And to be honest to say if it’s good enough for Greenland ( population 56K ) it should be good enough for us ( population 60M ) takes us for fools.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:44 Mon Oct 22
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Theresa May made a promise at the Good Friday talks? Blimey!

zebthecat 5:39 Mon Oct 22
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Actually the promise Theresa May made was no physical infrastructure at the border. This includes stuff like customs posts and cameras on top of the more obvious fences and guard towers.

J.Riddle 5:37 Mon Oct 22
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It's all Academic as May will be toast in a few days and DD installed to handle BREXIT. It will be Canada +++ as has already been agreed by Tusk.

Dwight Van Mann 5:31 Mon Oct 22
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why am i not at all surprised that Gavorrhoid doesn't even know what a hard border actually consists of!

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:05 Mon Oct 22
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Er, no. That's not a hard border. A hard border means fences.

Dictionary definition of 'hard border'

n.b. note 'people', not 'goods'.

'a border between countries that is strongly controlled and protected by officials, police, or soldiers, rather than one where people are allowed to pass through easily with few controls'

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hard-border

Hammer and Pickle 5:05 Mon Oct 22
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Does anyone seriously believe the EU is going to listen to a UK negotiator who starts blathering on about "double standards" and the border between Norway and Sweden?

New Jersey 5:02 Mon Oct 22
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Mediocre May should pick up the phone to Barnier, tell him she wants to speak to the monkey grinder, not the monkey so put her through to Merkel.

Angela, are you going to impose custom checks on all those lovely Mercs, Audi's, BMW's you sell to us?

Nein Frau May!

Well we aren't going to either, so what's the fucking problem??

Gavros 4:59 Mon Oct 22
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goods are subject to checks on the Norwegian border, so yes.

After8 4:57 Mon Oct 22
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Does Norway have a hard border with Sweden? Is it fenched around with military checkpoints everywhere?

I'd point out that Northern Ireland is already in a common travel area with Ireland and the rest of the UK.

Hammer and Pickle 4:57 Mon Oct 22
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Really, it's impossible to have a civilised discussion with someone who treats being in the EU's Customs Union as a form of punishment.

In fact, the whole problem of the Irish border is one that has been artificially created by Brexit and the sick people who are imposing Brexit on the rest of the country.

In the real world, EU Customs Union and Single Market membership are blessings and this will never be resolved unless we start electing normal people from the real world to represent the UK.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:56 Mon Oct 22
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Gav is making stuff up again. There is a border. It's, um, the 'border', on one side of which Westminster rules and on the other side of which Dublin rules.

The bloke couldn't lie straight in bed.

After8 4:55 Mon Oct 22
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Surface the double standard is incredible. Northern Ireland has to be in the customs union to avoid a border which means creating a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. You couldn't make it up. Especially when the EU lets other countries have bespoke arrangements and cherry pick.

Gavros 4:54 Mon Oct 22
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Norway and Switzerland have hard borders for goods, not people. The government itself committed to no border of any sort between ROI & NI. That includes a border for goods.

After8 4:53 Mon Oct 22
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Comma

Greenland isn't in the EU. It voted to leave. Doesn't have a hard border with the rest of Denmark which means it doesn't have a hard border with the rest of the EU.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:52 Mon Oct 22
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The EU are LITERALLY acting as terrorists, using the threat of IRA violence to impose conditions on the UK.

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