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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 7:32 Tue Dec 12
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I am not interested in the mechanism of QE any more than I am your mate, Zero.

Hammer and Pickle 7:30 Tue Dec 12
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But for more on real-world economics and forecast eurozone growth, please see

https://www.focus-economics.com/regions/euro-area

Note especially the bid discussing political uncertainty like Brexit turmoil and how that is affecting growth.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:30 Tue Dec 12
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Central bank policy

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:29 Tue Dec 12
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H&P

That isn't the logical conclusion at all.

Talk us through how QE works and why the ECB deem it necessary, mate, seeing as you are an expert on central government policy.

Hammer and Pickle 7:21 Tue Dec 12
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"The cost of public borrowing is low because of the weakness of the European banking system and wider economy and literally any fucker in the world can get a Euro denominated loan if they want one."

The first lesson in Zeronomics - a weak banking system allows governments to borrow money at lower rates and businesses to finance their operations more cheaply. Government is therefore less of burden on the taxpayer and business can expand and create jobs because of .... wait for it .....


....a weak banking system!



And, get this, to follow Zeronomics to its "logical" conclusion, a strong banking system brings us high interest rates, high taxes and high unemployment.

Let's hear it for Zeronomics and a "strong" banking system!

, 7:16 Tue Dec 12
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The Rand Corporation has an interesting view on Brexit.

https://www.rand.org/randeurope/research/projects/brexit-economic-implications.html

Gavros 7:15 Tue Dec 12
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what now that im birdless and jobless you mean?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:14 Tue Dec 12
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Gav,

You'll have to pop up the link then so we can all examine the context, costings etc that were under discussion. I can't for the life of me remember, but you obviously do. Pop it up, there's a good lad. You've got plenty of time to find it, after all.

Gavros 7:07 Tue Dec 12
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Funny because i distinctly remember you advocating EEA as an alternative to EU membership...

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:04 Tue Dec 12
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What, Gav? I don't recall ever being an ardent EEA freak, but I'll play along. In what context, with what relationship to the EU, at what cost and for what time frame?

Without such information you might just as well ask me if I am still in favour of magnesium.

Perhaps, though, this a very, very clever trap whereby you take something I might or might not have once posted, strip it of all context, deliberately misinterpret the bits that don't suit you and hope that I lack the intelligence not to fall into it.

Gavros 6:58 Tue Dec 12
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Zero - I take it you're still for EEA?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:48 Tue Dec 12
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The cost of public borrowing is low because of the weakness of the European banking system and wider economy and literally any fucker in the world can get a Euro denominated loan if they want one.

So what the fuck are you talking about? Are you pretending that your monthly drubbings on ultra-low interest rates didn't happen.

Willtell 6:33 Tue Dec 12
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Err! Isn't that due to the the banking crisis causing credit squeezes all over the world FFS?

Someone tell me if I am wrong but bloody hell! What a stupid comment that is Thickle! Shows your ineptitude you mong on vodka...

Dwight Van Mann 6:30 Tue Dec 12
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how the fuck is low borrowing a result of the EU?
They have the same low borrowing in all well run countries. The US, Australia, Canada etc

Hammer and Pickle 6:28 Tue Dec 12
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Yes.

Costs of public borrowing and consumer credits lower than at any time since money was invented.

And it really, really twists your melon, Zero.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:24 Tue Dec 12
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Hammer and Pickle 4:34 Tue Dec 12

'The benefits? OK but for the benefit of the board not Johnson.

1.) Access to cheaper capital than at any time in human history'

Since it's number 1 on your list, would you care to explain exactly what you mean by this?

Willtell 6:06 Tue Dec 12
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Hammer and Pickle 4:34 Tue Dec 12
The benefits? OK but for the benefit of the board not Johnson.

1.) Access to cheaper capital than at any time in human history.
Answer: For Poland. Since when have UK had any problem borrowing money?

2.) Purchasing power and standards of living unknown in human history.
Answer: In Poland but not in Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain etc especially if an under 25

3.) Stability and an institutional structure for resolving national level conflicts and problems offering peace and freedom from war unknown in human history.
Answer: In Poland perhaps because no-one in Europe is daft enough to pick a war with UK.

4.) Cross border movement free from bureaucratic encumberments like visas unknown in human history.
Answer: Like we could never have gone to France or Spain before the EU....yes right oh you mong. All it has done is given access to the rest of Europe for scum from Eastern Europe and made it easier for Asia/Africa scum to move around.

5.) A tariff-free common market of a size and negotiating power unknown in human history.
Answer: Agreed. That is what we signed up for in the first place.

6.) Freedom from power abuses by self-interested national groups unknown in human history.
Answer: In Poland perhaps but how's that going out there then Thickle? Have the EU sanctioned Poland yet?

Anyone with anything to offer be it in the form of a business proposition or any creativity or motivation will of course appreciate these advantages.
Answer: In Poland perhaps but Britain has no problem starting new businesses and since the leave vote start-ups have increased by 6%....

Hammer and Pickle 5:06 Tue Dec 12
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Like I said - no benefits for you whatsoever.

Now fuck off - you have nothing to offer this site.

Mike Oxsaw 5:00 Tue Dec 12
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Gavros 4:52 Tue Dec 12

How you enjoying that jap's eye full of ash & Scottish mud?

Johnson 4:58 Tue Dec 12
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Hammer and Pickle wrote...

Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The benefits?

OK but for the benefit of the board not Johnson.

1.) Access to cheaper capital than at any time in human history.

No relevance to the man on the street

2.) Purchasing power and standards of living unknown in human history.

Nothing to say this can't happen outside of EU

3.) Stability and an institutional structure for resolving national level conflicts and problems offering peace and freedom from war unknown in human history.

No wars successfully solved by the EU EVER. No one in Europe even contemplating war with each other.

4.) Cross border movement free from bureaucratic encumberments like visas unknown in human history.

Largest surface area of terrorist threat as a result, problems with overcrowding in prisons, schools, hospitals in the UK. All caused by the above.

5.) A tariff-free common market of a size and negotiating power unknown in human history.

Takes forever to negotiate with the "block" the UK can still trade with it. The EU single market should also not be considered tariff-free due to things like number 4.

6.) Freedom from power abuses by self-interested national groups unknown in human history.

Open to abuse from centralised unelected entities.


So, no, not a single tangible benefit there that only the EU can offer Thickle.

Would you like to try again?

Gavros 4:52 Tue Dec 12
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OK.

And im getting a nosh off of YOUR MUM.

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