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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 8:16 Fri Dec 14
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
She’s been punished by the EU asking how it can help her get her deal through not only her parliament but her party as well.

But actually, she’s played a blinder here because she now has the EU solidly behind her deal, which stabilises the situation so the worst that can happen as a result of any parliamentary vote is her deal. If her deal is voted down, then it’s a choice between no deal Brexit and no Brexit on March 29th, and that surely is no choice.

Will Corbyn table a VoNC? Not likely unless he has a suicide pact because he’d probably win it.

balders 7:56 Fri Dec 14
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Westham67 5:12 Fri Dec 14

Well that how it should be if there is a vote

We have already had the in or out vote

Now the choice or remain really (may's deal) or Out Out

Westham67 5:12 Fri Dec 14
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I was reading that myself

Its seems her game is to leave the the "Meaningful" vote to late that it either that or no deal.

If her deal is voted down I think at that at point Corbyn will table a vote of no confidence .

arsegrapes 4:49 Fri Dec 14
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That went well for Maybot LOL
Independent
Theresa May‘s Brexit plan was dealt another major blow at a meeting with EU leaders on Thursday night in a disastrous turn of events that resulted in them scrapping written commitments to help her pass her deal through parliament.

After arriving in Brussels with promises to help the prime minister, European leaders were left amazed when she turned up without any developed requests or ideas.

The 27 heads of state and government subsequently decided to delete lines from their council conclusions saying the EU “stands ready to examine whether any further assurance can be provided” and that “the backstop does not represent a desirable outcome for the union”.

The key paragraphs appeared in leaked earlier drafts on the conclusions and their absence leaves a barebones statement that does the bare minimum to help the prime minister. The limited assurances provided in the statement are extremely unlikely to placate Ms May’s MPs, who have said they want major changes to the agreement.

Accounts of the meeting suggest the prime minister’s speech, in which she called for help to get the agreement “over the line”, was repeatedly interrupted by Angela Merkel asking her what she actually wanted from them.

Senior UK government officials admitted that the prime minister did not bring any documented proposals with her to the meeting.

The approach puzzled EU diplomats, who for days before the conference had said they needed to see what proposals Ms May had come up with before they could respond to her request for aid.

Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, said at a midnight press conference after the discussion: “I do find it uncomfortable that there’s an impression perhaps in the UK that it is for the EU to propose solutions.

“It is for the UK leaving the EU and I would have thought that it was rather more for the British government.

Mad Dog 1:54 Fri Dec 14
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Yep. You're tight. I fucked up my calculation.

My point is valid.

If only 37% voted to leave
And 35% voted to stay.

It's still less.

The bullshit I hate reading is 63% didn't vote to leave.
That also counts for 65% not wanting to remain.

, 1:41 Fri Dec 14
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Mad Dog the percentage of votes cast opting for remain was actually 34.7%. But my dispute here is implying that remain got a simple majority of votes cast when clearly it was a long way off that.

Mad Dog 1:38 Fri Dec 14
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* I stated

Mad Dog 1:37 Fri Dec 14
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It got more than remain.

Which as instated only attracted 24%

, 1:36 Fri Dec 14
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Well it is clear to me that this country has a population and within it is a population registered to vote aka the voting population.

So leave registered 52% of votes cast and not 52% of the voting population.

But the bald fact is leave did not get anywhere near a simple majority of registered voters.

Mad Dog 1:35 Fri Dec 14
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Comma. Only 35% voted to leave.

But that works both ways.

Only 24% voted to stay.

Mad Dog 1:35 Fri Dec 14
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Comma. Only 35% voted to leave.

But that works both ways.

Only 24% voted to stay.

Westham67 1:27 Fri Dec 14
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Has anyone called Mays deal EU Lite yet ?

zebthecat 1:22 Fri Dec 14
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Voting should be compulsory.

Johnson 1:18 Fri Dec 14
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I’m not trying to finesse anything, it’s what I meant.

If someone is registered to vote and they don’t bother then they CANNOT feature in any statistics sore losers want to throw up.

The Union stuff is a completely different context, though you’ll try and make it fit your weak argument as it suits you to do.

, 1:11 Fri Dec 14
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Poor attempt to finesse your grossly misleading post.

It is generally accepted that the voting population at the time of the referendum was some 46.5M of whom just under 17.5M voted to leave.

So let's not talk about voting population but instead talk of those registered to vote.

As a rider to all this the government wants union strike votes to be a simple majority of registered union voters replacing simple majority of votes cast. So one rule for unions and another for referenda eh.

Johnson 12:57 Fri Dec 14
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52% of the people who voted i.e the voting population.

Not the population eligible to vote, the population who voted i.e the voting population.

Nice try though, comma.

, 12:52 Fri Dec 14
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Johnson 11:47 Thu Dec 13
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
52% of the voting population said they wanted to leave the EU, Thickle.

Actually approximately 37.5% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

That is different to the misleading figure of 52% of the voting population and brings into question quite who has been imbibing to excess here.

BRANDED 12:30 Fri Dec 14
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Labour win. Remain or leave.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-brexit_uk_5c0fe899e4b08bcb27ed326f?ncid=other_facebook_eucluwzme5k&utm_campaign=share_facebook

DaveT 12:00 Fri Dec 14
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BP,
Don't bother engaging with the fuckwit. He had no say in what we do here. He didn't vote in the referendum and assume he can't in any general election. He keeps a British passport which he says so that he can get into the country easily. Others have said the real reason is he can come back and claim all the benefits, pension, health service etc

Johnson 11:47 Thu Dec 13
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
52% of the voting population said they wanted to leave the EU, Thickle.

None of this was done on the premise of any deal, so I’d say there would be plenty.

Britannia Pub 11:43 Thu Dec 13
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Zeb, in my opinion you’ve hit some of the nails on the head.

Lack of vision and short termism are major issues in British politics. Only in UK politics could you have a Remainer trying to leave the EU and a Leaver trying to stop her.

I don’t like the two party FPTP system much either. Both parties try to change constituency boundaries to make it harder for whoever the opposition party is to get in power. They are also not really representative of the varied opinions of people in the UK. However, to change it to PR would probably require a referendum and basis things that have gone on since the last one I’m not sure that’s a good idea either .

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