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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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master 3:34 Thu Oct 18
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not 'deny', i meant to say 'express'.

apologies.

Gavros 3:34 Thu Oct 18
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UK: We can do global trade deals!

EU: We've got global trade deals

UK: We can do better global trade deals!

Everyone else: We'll demand a worse trade deal for you than the EU.

UK: ...


...



Stop punishing us!

master 3:33 Thu Oct 18
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does anyone deny outright that everything about the EU is bad? i'd bet that's not the case for anyone who expresses a desire to leave.

it's not the decent stuff that people base that view on. there are genuinely bad aspects of this political union we're a part of and for some, the only way to address to those concerns, given the lack of any kind of reform or willingness to even listen to concerns, is to resolve to going it alone.

we're saying we'll do those good things equally as well, if not better, as the eu, with cooperation with them if necessary, and we'll do the other stuff our way.

perfectly reasonable given the lay of the land and choices available.

Gavros 3:05 Thu Oct 18
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The EU already has or is negotiating FTAs with all of ASEAN. What is the point of the UK doing it all again?

How ridiculous. Again, thanks to total misconceptions by leavers.

BRANDED 3:05 Thu Oct 18
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If they are thriving why are we leaving?

After8 3:01 Thu Oct 18
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https://thediplomat.com/2018/06/why-uk-asean-trade-ties-are-thriving/

After8 3:01 Thu Oct 18
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https://thediplomat.com/2018/06/why-uk-asean-trade-ties-are-thriving/

After8 2:59 Thu Oct 18
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Well, would you look at that!

https://medium.com/@lseseac/steering-uk-southeast-asia-relations-post-brexit-d4667be89465

BRANDED 2:55 Thu Oct 18
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The main EU exports to Vietnam are high tech products, including electrical machinery and equipment, aircraft, vehicles, and pharmaceutical products.
Vietnam's main exports to the EU are telephone sets, electronic products, footwear, textiles and clothing, coffee, rice, seafood, and furniture.
The EU is one of the largest foreign investors in Vietnam. In 2017, EU investors committed €1.6 billion in Foreign Direct Investment, reaching a total investment stock of €19.2 billion. The largest sector of investment by the EU is Industrial Processing and Manufacturing (€6.66 billion).


Vietnam is one of the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and has become the EU's second-most important trading partner in the region after Singapore.

ASEAN represents the EU's third-largest trading partner outside Europe (after the US and China).

Getting EU exporters better access to the ASEAN market is a priority for the EU. Negotiations for a region-to-region trade and investment agreement between the EU and ASEAN were launched in 2007. These talks were then paused by mutual agreement in 2009 to give way to a bilateral format of negotiations. These bilateral trade and investment agreements were conceived as building blocks towards a future region-to-region agreement.

Gavros 2:46 Thu Oct 18
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EU FTA with Vietnam concluded yesterday.

Won't of course extend to the UK if we leave like the nutters want.

"But we need global trade deals!"

After8 2:46 Thu Oct 18
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Nothing has been agreed Gavros. Nothing. The EU have not accepted Mays plan and her cabinet hasn't either. Right now there's no deal. Stop trying to muddy the waters.

Westham67 2:36 Thu Oct 18
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This is a disaster like Dunkirk without the small boats

Gavros 2:33 Thu Oct 18
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Seems that the temporary 1 year transition extension is extendable.

This is now the agreed backstop to the backstop.

After8 2:26 Thu Oct 18
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Hannan and co are not soft brexiteers. Their point is temporary membership of EFTA and then a long term Canada deal is the best route.

The problem is that May has messed this up. She doesn't have the capital tp push for the UK to join EFTA. What she should have done when activating article 50 is given herself some space and been upfront with the voters and say "we'll leave the EU and join EFTA for a max of 5 years while we work out a long term trade deal. EFTA isn't perfect but will get us out of the ECJ, the CAP and the CU. We'll be able to conduct trade deals outside of the EU."

Instead she ramped up like Thatcher but without the political brain and has pissed everyone off.

She has no support. Literally no one likes her. At all.

Today there's talk of the ERG mps meeting with Nicky Morgan and some others about them doing their own compromise deal.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:04 Thu Oct 18
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/17/us-threatens-bar-european-banks-exchanges-brexit-derivatives/


Excellent stuff.

New Jersey 10:36 Thu Oct 18
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After8 - Totally agree, May is absolutely abysmal and embarrassing. She and her advisors fucked up the last election by having their number one policy of raising taxes to pay for care of the elderly, while Jezza was promising the world!


She's fucked up Brexit, surely someone has got the balls to challenge her? Juncker, Tusk, Barnier must be laughing their tits off at her (and us)!

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:33 Thu Oct 18
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Gavros 8:08 Wed Oct 17

'How come Hannan and Carswell, people who actually advocared for leaving well before the referendum unlike most of the ERG loons are suggesting EEA/ EFTA'

Why do you keep lying Gav?

Hannan says an EFTA-'TYPE' deal should have been negotiated two years ago on a temporary basis. He is NOT advocating 'an EEA/EFTA deal'

Dr Moose 10:31 Thu Oct 18
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Mike Oxsaw 10:34 Wed Oct 17

Its ironic that the Scots want to break up the UK yet it was their King who formed the United Kingdom (albeit sitting on a throne in England).

Mike Oxsaw 8:30 Thu Oct 18
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You can have your cake and eat it. You can't, however, eat your cake and have it.

Hammer and Pickle 8:23 Thu Oct 18
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It’s the CAKIST REBELLION and we won’t stand for anything less than having our CAKE (and eating it).

Gavros 12:54 Thu Oct 18
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Lancaster House and the election we're unbelievable

That's why she had to ditch Timothy and Hill.

The same Timothy who weekly has an article in the telegraph telling her what she should be doing.

Ironically they have bolstered massively the chances of remain/ EEA because the red lines means that may has fucked herself with subsequent negotiations and her weakness in parliament.

The obvious thing to have done was to fall into an EEA arrangement and negotiate from there for the long term. The problem with that is the the Brexit nutters wouldn't countenance the 'vassal state' and the entire thing has become so infested with cakeist bollocks that reasonable debate has gone out of the window.

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