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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Gavros 12:31 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
trying to leave the EU on a yes/no basis is like trying to fix a nuclear power station meltdown with a hammer. it doesn't work like that.

Mike Oxsaw 12:27 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The referendum was a clear binary choice: in or out. Nothing to do with how much in, or how much out. It was a one pixel option. On or off. Dead or alive, not how dead, or how alive. One or, not both, or some of each.

The choice was out, for whatever reason (and I seriously doubt that everybody had the same, single reason for voting the way they did; others seem to struggle with that possibility, though).

SECONDARY to that is how the result has been managed (sic).

Without doubt that has been a clusterfuck, not helped by people who don't understand how a democracy works (here's a clue: it's NOT all about voting & re-voting on a subject until you get the result YOU want), and demanding that THEY have the right somehow to just fucking ignore the votes and wishes of the majority who voted (don't vote - don't count, for either side).

Those that are (still) trying to disrupt the exit process are no more than selfish, personal agenda-holding traitors. They('ve proved they) don't really give a fuck about the country or anybody else in it; just what they can get out of it for themselves.

Gavros 12:24 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
but the BOAT has sailed willtell. parliaments final meaningful vote MEANS the Brexit that the ERG want cannot happen.simple as.

mashed in maryland 12:19 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros 12:10 Fri Feb 23

Fair enough.

Willtell 12:14 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Or Britain could just do what a majority democratically voted for.....

Oh they are.....

They might be making a mess of it but they are and I hope the EU stand firm and Britain leaves with no deal in place. Europe would come running but not with so many weak chinned wankers like you Gavie mate....

Hammer and Pickle 12:12 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The preferred solution is the ERG Tories fuck off and try their luck as part of UKIP so the straight people can get on with running the country properly.

Gavros 12:10 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
the answer to that is yes.

for example we could - with a lot of consideration before panicking and doing article 50 - have made the plan to have an EFTA-EEA type deal that while including the ECJ in arbitration would not mean the ECJ was ultimate, one where we could have A customs union that allows for other trade deals (not that any deals the EU isn't currently doing would be next to worthless) and which along with powers we already have within the EU would please enough people on freedom of movement (the aforementioned 90 day limits on other EU national without a job and without the means to look after themselves being electable plus the emergency brake that Norway have plus the pads that Switzerland has about jobs being offered first to residents of Switzerland). that would minimise the economic damage and have us out of the EU.


the government have fucked it though and the hard Brexit route is so ruinous that I'm afraid some sort of foot in the door agreement seems inevitable.

Willtell 12:02 Fri Feb 23
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Well that's your interpretation Gavros. Mine is that a democratic majority voted to exit the EU come what may and although it doesn't suit me, I am a democrat and not a complete cunt that twists the truth like you do.

It makes me feel quite superior. Can you tell us all what it's like to be an anti-democracy cunt just like H&P is Gavros?

mashed in maryland 12:00 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gav

If someone (in the Tories most likely) took the lead and gave a clear vision of Brexit which seemed to - at least superficially - make sense, would you support it?

I can totally understand anyone having sod all faith in the current set up. But the above situation, as opposed to the public being sold down the river or whatever Corbyn's Labour have in store for us, must be a preferred outcome surely?

Gavros 11:56 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
the problem for the Tories is that half of them thought the public want one thing and half something else. which reflects the fact that the referendum was not over a definite article with clear costs and benefits associated with it. it is far too complex to be able to be answered digitally. whoever tries angers someone. but may and all the senior Tories outside of the nutters knows that the Brexit that is being touted - which will mean a return to the troubles and the ports frozen - will destroy the party. that's why they have to row back to something at least what Labour are now talking about. Labour making that a red line will give the Tories to go down that route now given the parliamentary vote.

Willtell 11:55 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Thickle? How about you fucking off?

Hammer and Pickle 11:51 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Well you got your answer.

Here’s a question for you - how about fucking off?

mashed in maryland 11:47 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Ooooh I'm scared.

This thread was less than half way down the page and I wanted to ask Gavvy a question (its possible to get sense out of him 60% of the time) before you rocked up

I didn't bother reading any of the rest of your post, you're a weird lonely old fool who got absolutely stripped of all dignity on here the other day with your "FSB handler" crap (on top of your usual shit) and the only reason anyone ever engages with you on here is to take the piss out of you.

Now call me mimmler or say i don't understand economics or talk about Russia or priests again. No one cares

Hammer and Pickle 11:40 Thu Feb 22
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You came on here looking for a row, well you’ve got one now.

Your whole narrative, whether it be about Trump, Brexit or security incidents like Cologne is denying we are in a hybrid war with the Kremlin. Many have bought into the lies and propaganda, feel uncomfortable about having it pointed out to them and you play on that as you pollute the site with your shit-stirring bullshit.

Of course the Cologne attacks were classic hybrid war diversion designed to give the Far Right media resources to dine out on ever since.

mashed in maryland 11:26 Thu Feb 22
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Thats well beyond pot kettle

Hammer and Pickle 11:21 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
You are a mong mimmler. Stop bumping political threads with your inane bullshit - it’s fucking boring.

mashed in maryland 11:18 Thu Feb 22
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You live in Poland. "Economy" to you means buying cheaper daily vodka than usual so you can afford the electricity bill

Please tell us more about these FSB handlers you dreamed up?

Hammer and Pickle 11:12 Thu Feb 22
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Whether an economy works or not is not about how you vote or what you want.

I still can’t believe I’m having to tell a grown adult shit like this.

mashed in maryland 11:10 Thu Feb 22
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Speaking of fantasy worlds Pickled, please tell us more about what the Cologne suspects said under police questioning in that vivid imagination of yours?

mashed in maryland 11:09 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
"Coming of age" usually means growing up so doubt 100% of them will stay Remain voters forever.

Brexit will mean whatever our government make it mean. With May at the helm I wouldn't hold out much hope either way as she's terrible.

My point is even if i voted Remian i wouldn't be wishing her to fuck the public over and betray the result. If you care about democracy you'd want Brexit to go ahead and to work. Any other plan sets a very dangerous precedent for whoever's in power to ignore the people and just do whatever they want.

mashed in maryland 11:09 Thu Feb 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
"Coming of age" usually means growing up so doubt 100% of them will stay Remain voters forever.

Brexit will mean whatever our government make it mean. With May at the helm I wouldn't hold out much hope either way as she's terrible.

My point is even if i voted Remian i wouldn't be wishing her to fuck the public over and betray the result. If you care about democracy you'd want Brexit to go ahead and to work. Any other plan sets a very dangerous precedent for whoever's in power to ignore the people and just do whatever they want.

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