Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
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BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide
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Willtell
6:23 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss
WTF are you talking about now? Brexit has cost me £thousands yet I support it after voting remain.
I wasn't going on about democracy. I was merely pointing out that a hypocrite would be someone that pretends to be a democrat until decisions go against them when their true anti-democratic nature comes to the fore...
That's YOU being the hypocrite!
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Swiss.
4:46 Fri Sep 18
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Willtell
Don't go on about democracy. It's a fallacy. You know that.
The people want what the people get..
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Cony Tottee
3:43 Fri Sep 18
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Crassus
I'm sure there are in some industries. In ours though there is absolutely no difference in the way we discharge product from within the EU to how we discharge product from outside. We run our own port though so that may be a big difference.
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Crassus
3:37 Fri Sep 18
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Cony
The physical differences exist mate
The ordering of may not but logistically there will be fundamental differences
All of which clearly indicates that post EU there is absolutely no need, unless one were wanted, for there to be any material interference in trade
Of course, were they imposed, and there is no benefit in our doing so, it would cause us an element of grief, but don't let anyone convince you it is one way. It would cause irredeemable damage to the economies of Ireland and the Pas de Calais (one of the most deprived areas of the whole EU) and have untold political fall out for the EU there after
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Hammer and Pickle
3:35 Fri Sep 18
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This is indeed a key point Cony, and yes, imports from beyond the SM and CAP will become nominally cheaper for the UK purchaser. And it is worth looking at the whole picture because the EU system gives possibly inordinate advantages to EU producers. These won’t be prevented from participating in the UK market as well (imagine what would happen in NI if tariffs were slapped on goods coming in). It really is such a shame it is the UK producer being shafted yet again here, and I really mean that without a hint of irony.
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Cony Tottee
3:30 Fri Sep 18
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Crassus 3:11 Fri Sep 18
Cheers. I've never really understood the talk of delays at the border. The company I work for imports from both inside and outside the EU and the only difference is the computer system used to declare the products. All physical movements are the same for both.
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Mike Oxsaw
3:22 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss. 3:01 Fri Sep 18
In what way is voting for the losing side then getting behind the winners (instead of going on a fucking big, permanent man-strop) hypocritical?
Seems more like the acceptance of reality to me, but I'm prepared to be swayed by your arguments.
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Willtell
3:18 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss
Not true mate. I never mentioned hypocrisy if you care to read my post again. Typical deflection techniques Swiss....
I think you mean that I voted remain but support the democratic majority after seeing the result? Is that what counts as hypocrisy in your book?
Personally, I think hypocrites are those that pretend they support democracy but refuse to accept the result out of self-interest.
That means the likes of you and Pickled in case you can't quite grasp that...
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cheesebgt
3:17 Fri Sep 18
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Crassus 3:14 Fri Sep 18
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:17 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss. 2:54 Fri Sep 18
Why did you feel the need to post that again? Let's face it, it was shit the first time and, since my reply, has only got worse.
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Crassus
3:14 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss. 3:01 Fri Sep 18
FFS who is looking at today and not tomorrow now then?
The relative success, failure or otherwise can not be measured upon one bloody quarters trade, let alone the first
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Crassus
3:11 Fri Sep 18
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Cony
Yes mate that is the thrust of it in principle
Under the CAP, pricing is set to the benefit of the producers, (remember the wine lakes and butter mountains) so, for example French farmers - cheaper alternatives outside of the EU are subject to tariffs to render them inviable
Now there is more to this, not only does the potential exist to source at prices to suit the buyer and not the producer but there is a positive impact upon the means of transport
The EU stipulates how produce is carried too, which creates a transport diversion at ports. Road trailers as opposed to containers, given the respective universal dimensions of each. Hence the weight of traffic through the tunnel as opposed to container ports
It does not end there either, it creates the UK as a road bridge from Ireland with it's primary export, agricultural goods/plus it's imports and flow of traffic upon our roads that offers nothing to us but congestion
For that very reason alone, the EU will not create, aside of what the Remoaners say, an artificial red tape bottleneck at Calais - if they did they would totally fuck Ireland and the Pas de Calais in one sweep
Finally, note that our exports to the EU have been and continue to fall whilst their exports to us continue to rise
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Swiss.
3:01 Fri Sep 18
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Willtell
The guy who voted to remain telling me about hypocrisy. Well it's been a long discussion since this thread was put up. I'll wait for Q1 2021 figures say released in April.
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Swiss.
2:54 Fri Sep 18
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Scurf Face I said "intrinsically". Do you want to look it up? Also I said being smart I could not see how it would work, be managed and the cost to the economy . That's why you are thick because you look can't look tomorrow and only today.
But never a typo or spelling mistake so that makes you a fucking genius.
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Willtell
2:51 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss
We know all that and there's little point going over it all again. The UK doesn't see it as a threat and more an opportunity.
Leaving an undemocratic bureaucracy shows the kind of independent spirit that a while ago, ruled most of the world. You being an immigrant wouldn't understand that independent spirit because it hasn't worked its way into your DNA yet.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:44 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss
I know what intrinsically means, though I'm not sure you do. What it doesn't mean is , 'if I bung intrinsically in here I can deny the meaning of the words I'm saying'.
What you are now saying is that you weren't against it even though, in your infinite wisdom, you couldn't see how it would work and thought it would ruin the economy.
Intrinsically, that makes no fucking sense at all.
Silly person.
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Fo the Communist
2:42 Fri Sep 18
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Johnson 12:00 Fri Sep 18
Bit disingenuous that, Johnson. There was nothing equivocal about the strength of the deal in the Conservative manifesto.
"After three and a half years of procrastination, we have a great new deal that is ready to go. It is oven-ready." said your namesake in the foreword.
Not that it will matter as, whatever side you are on, Brexit is a done deal (so to speak). But let's not pretend the fat albino alcoholic mess isn't making it up as he goes along.
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Swiss.
2:38 Fri Sep 18
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Scurf Face I said "intrinsically". Do you want to look it up? Also I said being smart I could not see how it would work, be managed and the cost to the economy . That's why you are thick because you look can't look tomorrow and only today.
But never a typo or spelling mistake so that makes you a fucking genius.
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Cony Tottee
2:35 Fri Sep 18
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Are our tariffs for non-EU products set by the EU?
If so, can't we simply remove these tariffs once we leave making non-EU goods cheaper or does it not work like that?
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JOHNNY V
2:33 Fri Sep 18
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Swiss I rarely comment on this thread but I have to laugh at your comments, from the very start of this every post you have made screams me me me what about me.
If your as clever as you say you are, you should be just fine.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:28 Fri Sep 18
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It's interesting that both Ray and Swiss refer to people who voted for Brexit as 'thick cunts' whilst having the breath-taking nerve to claim that they themselves 'weren't against it'.
Anyone would think from their language and their low, indeed, contemptuous, opinion of Leave voters that they were, well, fibbing.
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