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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron

BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

J.Riddle 4:44 Fri Oct 20
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Mr Rees-Mogg was unequivocal in his belief that Britain should not handover any cash if the two sides cannot agree to new trading arrangements.

Asked on LBC whether there was any legal requirement to pay a divorce bill, Mr Rees-Mogg said: “The answer is no. If we leave under Article 50 without a deal, under UK, EU and international law we owe no money at all, not a brass farthing.”

He added: “If we leave without a deal we don’t owe anything.

King Marlon 3:45 Fri Oct 20
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does infidel even live in the uk. thankyou for calling 48% of the country traitors.

you may not care about the people who might end of losing there job there home because of this but there is i hope enough people left in this country to look realistically at this and work out if this is a good thing to do or not rather than look after there own interests.

Johnson 1:59 Fri Oct 20
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Most of the same majority are surprised we can’t retain the same rights despite leaving, comma?

A few quotes from the ardent leavers on here expressing that surprise at that will go a long to preventing readers from thinking you’ve just made that up completely.

Don’t take too long or try to squirm out of proving another of your bullshit points.

normannomates 1:58 Fri Oct 20
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Question for the pro European twats
Why..now you lost the vote..you all view the EU as utopia?..when in reality it is fucking shite. ..
And we have fucked ourselves into the depths of the devils world.

You traitors need to ask yourselves why is it the European cunts you're so fond of do not respect our decision..as a nation..to leave?
And are making things as difficult as possible?

Tell you what...go fuck off and live there..

Hayzer 1:42 Fri Oct 20
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, really. Not just about trade.. My you’ve got your finger on the pulse.
How long is this thread and you’ve only just worked that out. 😳

, 1:38 Fri Oct 20
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Everyone in the UK already has a free trade deal with the EU. However a majority voted to leave this free trading area and most of this same majority seem taken aback by the realisation that we cannot automatically retain the trading rights after departing the club.

Oh and for many of us this whole debacle is more than just about trade but I would not expect a dyed in the wool Randian to have any inkling of matters not trade connected.

Hayzer 12:27 Fri Oct 20
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http://www.pensionsage.com/pa/UK-should-pay-share-of-reasonable-29bn-EU-pension-liability-Bruegel.php

Infidel 12:17 Fri Oct 20
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Comma

Everyone in the UK wants the same thing: a free trade agreement with the EU.

There is a lot of BBC-driven nonsense about "a hard Tory Brexit" but there is not a single member of the Conservative Party who has ever said that they want to leave without a free trade deal.

The only difference is between those who accept that we may have to leave without a deal (because the EU makes it impossible) and those who continue to claim, absurdly, that they will not support us leaving without some form of deal.

I say 'absurdly' because there are two parties in this negotiation and we are not able to 'decide' to have a free trade deal any more than you can 'decide' to take Monica Bellucci out for dinner tomorrow night.

The EU doesn't want a trade deal because they fear contagion. Their worst case scenario is an amicable separation in which the UK does well outside the EU. That's why they are doing everything possible to prevent a deal. And that's why leaving on WTO terms is probably going to happen anyway, no matter how hard we try to prevent it.

Corbyn has the luxury of not actually having to take any responsibility for the negotiations, so he can hold absurd, illogical positions that would be political suicide if he were ever to implement them.

Walking in to the negotiations saying that under no circumstances will the UK leave the EU without a trade deal is the same as writing a blank cheque to Barnier and asking him to fill in the amount

I don't expect the EU to change course. Their three 'conditions' are completely unacceptable and should have been met with a refusal to start negotiations until they were lifted. They will continue to obstruct the talks, brief against the UK team, disclose private conversations to the press, openly insult the UK negotiation team and make outrageous demands because this is essentially a political mater for them not an economic one. The survival of the EU is at stake and they will put that before jobs, prosperity and peace every time.

Hammer and Pickle 11:32 Thu Oct 19
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The EU has 0 pension commitments.

HTH

riosleftsock 11:29 Thu Oct 19
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The EU has a 60Bn Euro black hole in its pensions commitments.

The EU has worked out the UK exit bill to be at least £60bn.

Meanwhile the EU has just gone out to tender for new wine suppliers to replenish its £20m stock of wine.

Hayzer 11:18 Thu Oct 19
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I wouldn’t worry.. Labour will do it to all of us if they get in.

, 11:01 Thu Oct 19
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Well I did that deliberately.

But then it seems that is what the Tory party are doing to their leader.

Hayzer 10:48 Thu Oct 19
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, but your missing the bit where he says he’ll bend over and let Juncker shag his arse

Hammer and Pickle 10:47 Thu Oct 19
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According to my calculations, the UK contributed around 0.7% of GDP to the EU budget in 2016/17 (16.9 billion pounds).

The IMF does not expect the economy to contract by more than 0.2% in the year following whatever Brexit takes place.

So get out while there is still time.

The UK won't be participating in any of the growth in Europe in this up-cycle, but full steam ahead - let the thought of not contributing to building roads in Poland concentrate the mind!

, 10:42 Thu Oct 19
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Er, you have not understood it correctly. And that is deliberate.

Corbyn said, amongst other things, "
“The issue of Brexit is obviously a huge one in Britain,” he said. “Let me be clear, the British Labour party does not see anyone in Europe as an enemy. We see people across Europe as friends. You are our colleagues, our partners, our comrades and our friends.”

Corbyn added: “Our commitment is clear. We must and will respect the result of the EU referendum but at the same time build a new close and cooperative relationship with our fellow Europeans based on our common interests. We are internationalists.

“So I urge all leaders on all sides – the UK and the EU. The UK and the European Union must take steps together. There is no need for insults or divisive posturing. It is our responsibility to build a relationship that will continue to thrive for generations to come, and we in the Labour party are determined to achieve that.”

May has said, “I set out a few weeks ago in Florence a very bold and ambitious agenda and vision for our future partnership between the EU and the UK at the heart of that remains co-operation on the key issues and dealing with the shared challenges that we face,”

Seems both May and Corbyn want much the same thing .

Infidel 10:12 Thu Oct 19
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So if I understand correctly, if Corbyn becomes Prime Minister he will take over the negotiations and tell the EU that leaving without a deal is not an option.

The EU will then present him with a list of their conditions for agreeing a deal, including £100bn to be transferred from the UK taxpayer to the EU.

That's the entire NHS budget for a year.

It's also equivalent to paying the same net amount into the EU as we pay now for another 11 years after we leave.

Having thrown his fall back position (WTO rules) out of the window, Corbyn can't say no. If he says no there might be no deal, which he is at pains to point out is not even an option for the UK.

So vote Labour for the total humiliation of our country at the hands of Europe and a financial settlement that will divert our already stretched tax revenues away from the NHS, education and pensions and into building roads in Poland and paying for private jets for the EU aristocracy.

Put another way, how many hospitals should we close to finance Corbyn's surrender to Brussels?

Hayzer 8:21 Thu Oct 19
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Corbyn is an idiot..

https://order-order.com

Willtell 6:59 Thu Oct 19
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Actually wrong there peeps. Not surprising as Thickle has been a wrong 'un for years. Jeremy has actually made himself look more statesmanlike than May ever could which is weird.

Jeremy Corbyn tells Theresa May and EU leaders to stop posturing
Labour leader uses speech in Brussels to call on both sides to take steps together to end impasse in Brexit negotiations

The Labour leader, while scornful of recent comments by Philip Hammond in which the chancellor described the EU as “the enemy”, offered a surprisingly even-handed analysis of the impasse in the Brexit talks.

Speaking at a conference on the future of socialism, Corbyn said both sides needed to take steps to make progress in the negotiations, which are stuck on the details of the estimated €60bn (£54bn) divorce bill.

“The issue of Brexit is obviously a huge one in Britain,” he said. “Let me be clear, the British Labour party does not see anyone in Europe as an enemy. We see people across Europe as friends. You are our colleagues, our partners, our comrades and our friends.”

Corbyn added: “Our commitment is clear. We must and will respect the result of the EU referendum but at the same time build a new close and cooperative relationship with our fellow Europeans based on our common interests. We are internationalists.

“So I urge all leaders on all sides – the UK and the EU. The UK and the European Union must take steps together. There is no need for insults or divisive posturing. It is our responsibility to build a relationship that will continue to thrive for generations to come, and we in the Labour party are determined to achieve that.”

Hammer and Pickle 6:42 Thu Oct 19
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... and so the subterfuge aka known as Brexit nears its inevitable completion ...

twoleftfeet 6:22 Thu Oct 19
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Brexit will never happen.

Corbyn is already over there reassuring Europe.

Willtell 6:10 Thu Oct 19
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BREXITEERS URGE MAY TO ASSUME NO DEAL IF EU TALKS DON’T PROGRESS

Leave Means Leave letter urges PM to abandon trade talks if no progress is made.

by Westmonster October 19, 2017
A letter to the Prime Minister signed by politicians, business people, economists and military figures has urged Theresa May to assume and prepare for a No Deal if the EU continues to advance negotiations to talking about trade.

It reads: “If at the European Council this week, the EU continues to refuse to discuss the future framework for a trade relationship, we should formally declare that we are assuming that we will be subject to WTO rules from 30th March 2019”.

The letter also makes the point that: “No deal on trade is better than a deal which locks the UK into the European regulatory system and take opportunities off the table”.

The letter is signed by the likes of Lord Lawson, John Redwood MP, Tim Martin of Wetherspoons and Major-General Julian Thompson.

Time for the government to get their act together. If the EU continue to refuse to talk trade, then the country must assume No Deal and prepare for such an outcome.

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