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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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threesixty 2:49 Wed Nov 21
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Surface

"Nobody in the UK is talking about starting a military conflict, "

Nobody in the UK is ever talking about starting miltary conflicts.. funny how they always happen when the Brits act carelessly though right?

And of course the EU isn't threatening with the IRA. How stupid can you get?
Anyone with a brain can see the good friday agreement is a delicate one and riding rough shot over the terms there leaves the area vunerable to armed conflict.

Its like saying water is wet or something..

threesixty 2:45 Wed Nov 21
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Mike

"* 360 puts forward the strongest case for the UK to leave the EU whilst trying to prove it absolutely must remain and do what it's told.*"

I'm not putting a case for anything, just explaining that the political issues for NI with Brexit. And how english interests (well 52% and might be a lot less now) create a problem there.

threesixty 2:42 Wed Nov 21
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Mike

"A select FEW get handed scraps from the EU table and for that the whole country is supposed to be eternally grateful for those few getting a small percentage of it's own money back."

Small percentage? they get half I think. and what about all those cities in the UK that have had EU handouts?

Finally, the UK makes money out of the EU. Its companies do business there. It is a benefit not a hinderence. But you cant shop in COSTCO without paying your subs can you?

The way people talk you'd think that the UK doesnt make A LOT of money by being in the EU? really???

"The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999"

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

So I think we can say that UK has been party to the development of the vast majority of laws it subscribes to in EU and makes a lot of money from it as well.

Who started this crap of us being some lap dog or something. Utter tosh really.

Mike Oxsaw 2:22 Wed Nov 21
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* 360 puts forward the strongest case for the UK to leave the EU whilst trying to prove it absolutely must remain and do what it's told.*

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:21 Wed Nov 21
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threesixty 2:11 Wed Nov 21

'If the interests of the majority negatively impact the minority, why the fuck would they vote for it?'

No, you have that the wrong way round. If the interests of the minority negatively impact the majority, why the fuck would they vote for it.

As I said, yours is an entirely self-serving argument based on leftie self-flagellation.

Nobody in the UK is talking about starting a military conflict, by the way, although the Irish and EU seem to be threatening to use the IRA as some sort of proxy

threesixty 2:11 Wed Nov 21
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Surface

"the Scots, Welsh and Irish should be voting for the interests of the majority, the English, not the other way round."

If the interests of the majority negatively impact the minority, why the fuck would they vote for it?

The issue is the power dynamic. Just because you are a minority numerically doesnt always mean your interests are at the back of the queue.

And its silly to help start military conflicts because you cant be arsed to think about the needs of other regions over your own all the time.

But then that's the Engish way, from Pakistan/India, Palestine, Nigeria etc.. etc.. The history of the english not giving a fuck about whatever they control whenever it suits them. Very typical of us.

Mike Oxsaw 2:11 Wed Nov 21
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threesixty 2:06 Wed Nov 21

A select FEW get handed scraps from the EU table and for that the whole country is supposed to be eternally grateful for those few getting a small percentage of it's own money back.

R-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.

threesixty 2:06 Wed Nov 21
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Mike

"Equally, why belong to a union when all they care about/want is your subs each year?"

yeah, like we dont get anything out of it.. like it;s some big charity we keep chucking money at.

For Fuck Sake...

Gavros 2:06 Wed Nov 21
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You know what I mean sore arse.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:05 Wed Nov 21
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threesixty 1:59 Wed Nov 21

Even by your own logic your post is ridiculous.

There are 55 million English and a total of 11 million Scots, Welsh and Irish. By any sensible reckoning of 'the common good', the Scots, Welsh and Irish should be voting for the interests of the majority, the English, not the other way round.

You don't have an argument.

Mike Oxsaw 2:04 Wed Nov 21
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"Everybody else has an independence day holiday from being ruled by us."

Especially the Belgian Congo & Dutch East Indies.

Mike Oxsaw 2:03 Wed Nov 21
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"And why have a union where no one gives a fuck about it?"

Equally, why belong to a union when all they care about/want is your subs each year?

Gavros 2:02 Wed Nov 21
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Everybody else has an independence day holiday from being ruled by us.

We should have loftier ambitions than sinking so low.

threesixty 1:59 Wed Nov 21
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Surface

"I'm pretty sure the Scots, Welsh and Irish didn't give a fuck about the English when they voted. Nor are they under any obligation to do so, so I don't know why there is a special responsibility for the English to be so considerate"

Two wrongs don't make a right.

And why have a union where no one gives a fuck about it?

Either you look out for the interests of other members of the union or you dissolve the union.

Also, money / resources is moved from one region to another (Barnet formula, north sea oil etc..).

So again Surface, contributing before thinking...

Coffee 1:57 Wed Nov 21
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threesixty 1:39 Wed Nov 21

Thank you, Ms Sturgeon.

Mike Oxsaw 1:57 Wed Nov 21
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Can we have the day we leave the EU as our very own Independence Day holiday?

Every other country in the world seems to have one, or a variation thereof. In the interests of global equality and all being i it together, naturally.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:48 Wed Nov 21
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threesixty 1:39 Wed Nov 21

'The English need to stop pretending they give a fuck about anyone in the union apart from themselves.

If they did they would never have voted brexit'

I'm pretty sure the Scots, Welsh and Irish didn't give a fuck about the English when they voted. Nor are they under any obligation to do so, so I don't know why there is a special responsibility for the English to be so considerate.

A typical hang-wringing self-flagellating post. An idiotic post, in fact.

threesixty 1:39 Wed Nov 21
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Coffee

"Are you suggesting the EU may end up completing what the IRA started?"

The EU isnt doing anything but applying the rules it's 27 members all have to adhere and in line with the WTO.

The good friday agreement worked BECAUSE of the EU framework that unified the countries of Ireland and the UK in a common framework.

The ENGLISH dont care about ireland or scotland and voted in THEIR interests and forgot that the Irish issue was settled in part BECAUSE of the EU.

So thats where we are.

The English need to stop pretending they give a fuck about anyone in the union apart from themselves.

If they did they would never have voted brexit.

Coffee 1:26 Wed Nov 21
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Mike Oxsaw 1:23 Wed Nov 21

That then raises the question of the application of tariffs on mint sauce produced outside the UK.

Coffee 1:23 Wed Nov 21
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360

Are you suggesting the EU may end up completing what the IRA started?

Mike Oxsaw 1:23 Wed Nov 21
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Imagine a situation post Brexit where a shopper/consumer wants to buy some lamb.

Currently they have the choice of, for instance, French lamb as a price set by the EU, and New Zealand lamb at a price set by the NZ export process augmented by a tariff that at least equalises the end user price, if not sets it slightly in favour of the local/French product.

All things being equal, the majority of lamb sold under those conditions will be French and as a result, importers will be less willing to go to the trouble of bringing produce from outside the EU. Customers only have a "choice" insofar as one the EU dictates they can have.

Now imagine that the UK negotiates a deal to bring in NZ lamb without a tariff.

The consumer now that 3 choices: French lamb, tariffed New Zealand Lamb and tariff-free New Zealand lamb. If tariff free is the cheaper option, basic home economics says most consumers are more likely to go for that option, and that is what the EU wants to avoid as it then means that the local/French farmers will have to find a way of reducing their own costs, and one of those costs just happens to be the French government's contribution to the EU coffers.

That these farmers get tariff sponsored handouts addresses some of the symptoms of higher costs, not the causes.

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