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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Mike Oxsaw 2:29 Thu Dec 14
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The Kronic 2:02 Thu Dec 14

That may well have been "Plan B" all along - bore the people into submission.

I suspect they're even more shocked about how long that's now taking than the actual OUT result itself.

If only they could control the internet...

pdcwhu 2:26 Thu Dec 14
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Your MPs let you down,last night

Dwight Van Mann 2:16 Thu Dec 14
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The Kronic 2:02 Thu Dec 14

Gavros 2:12 Thu Dec 14
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Friday's agreement in effect guaranteed that NI stays in the single market regardless. It's now up to the government to get a SM deal with the EU. If it continues to try another tack the DUP will withdraw supply (because the government woukd have failed its UK single market demands) and no confidence in government will be enacted, causing another HE in which the Tories are likely to get battered and a Labour led coalition installed which will get the job done.

, 2:09 Thu Dec 14
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At PMQs yesterday Corbin concentrated on housing issues cue people criticising him for not pummelling May about Brexit issues. The fact is that there are lots of things that need addressing but the media are overly focussed on our departure negotiations and the Tory party in fighting.

The Kronic 2:02 Thu Dec 14
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As someone who voted leave I no longer give a solitary fuck if we now stay. It's already a shambolic mess, thanks to a shambolic government, and this is supposed to be the easy part.

Mike Oxsaw 2:00 Thu Dec 14
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Gavros 1:47 Thu Dec 14

So we WILL leave, and if no deal is achieved we still get single market access, is that what is actually the case?

Isn't that what the remoaners always wanted? The ability to upgrade their BMW with no fuss?

Coffee 1:56 Thu Dec 14
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Rather than continuing the theme of one party bashing the other all the time, we'd do better to ask all our MPs to push for a government of national unity for Brexit alone... There's an idea.

Dr Moose 1:55 Thu Dec 14
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1964 1:48 Thu Dec 14

Numpty!

Gavros 1:50 Thu Dec 14
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"They should be supporting the negotiations of Brexit in the interests of the country and what it voted for not using this as some wanky way of bringing down the government."

idiot.

1. They are doing this in the interests of the country.

2. their position is in line with the referendum mandate, which said NOTHING about leaving the single market.

1964 1:48 Thu Dec 14
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Labour scum using this as an opportunity to bash the Tories. No interest in the well being of the country just their own agenda.

They should be supporting the negotiations of Brexit in the interests of the country and what it voted for not using this as some wanky way of bringing down the government.

Miliband acused the Tories of not being able to run a piss up in a brewery. If the Labour rubbish were to try they'd run out of beer in a couple of minutes. Idiots!

Gavros 1:47 Thu Dec 14
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"If no agreement is reached after the two years are up, we will leave with nothing. Then a whole new round of negotiations will start, which could take forever to complete"

That's not actually true. Last Friday's agreement states that the default position should agreement not be met is single market access.

Coffee 1:44 Thu Dec 14
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Willtell 1:04 Thu Dec 14

If no agreement is reached after the two years are up, we will leave with nothing. Then a whole new round of negotiations will start, which could take forever to complete.

To hold another referendum would [a] be contrary to the stated positions of both main parties, and [b] would play right into the hands of the SNP, who would make irresistible calls for a new referendum on independence. None of the main parties would want that and would therefore not back a new EU referendum.

We've had our chance and the country spoke. Whether or not you agree with the result, it's what we're faced with and we'd better do everything in our collective power to make the most of it. Not easy, because the EU are a bunch of high-order fuckers to deal with, but there you go.

Gavros 1:43 Thu Dec 14
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Labour need to double down on their SM pledge. If they do that then the Tories know that they cant get anything less than a SM deal through Parliament, and by extension the only credible negotiation can be based on SM membership. The EC/ EU will know this too of course. The Brexiteers within the Tories will further know they either do this negotiation or they face a Labour government. The upshot is that they need to get on with negotiating an EEA deal with a few fig leafs concerning freedom of movement, while actually implementing a lot of rules theyve been allowed to all the time but havent bothered. Something like the following will be acceptable to most people I think while keeping the UK in the single market:

Switzerland's trade deal with the EU maintains freedom of movement but all jobs have to first be advertised to people with Swiss residency+ The EU already allows for countries to send back EU national from other countries if they cant find work within 3 months + A 3 month waiting period before EU national can claim benefits.

This would mean that people can come to the UK and take up residency, but they cant get benefits immediately, and can be sent home should they not gain employment in the 3 month window.

terry-h 1:38 Thu Dec 14
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If any so-called deal is voted down either by our Parliament or by the remaining EU states, surely we will automatically leave after the two year period expires. We can't be forced to re negotiate surely.

Willtell 1:04 Thu Dec 14
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Reply Coffee 12:24 Thu Dec 14
I don't see how that will happen unless the rebel MP's have their feet held to the fire by their constituents or parties. That won't happen.

I think May is in a vacuum now. Whatever she agrees with the EU she has to get it ratified by Parliament. If the EU decide they will not give the UK a trade deal, then we all know that the number of rebels will increase so that it does not get through.

Unless there are public protests at all this I only see May having to resign and a general election otherwise May will lead it into the long grass....

Hammer and Pickle 12:34 Thu Dec 14
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Most likely deal will involve fast-track membership re-application.

May will attempt to sell this as a triumph of UK sovereignty.

Coffee 12:24 Thu Dec 14
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Willtell 11:56 Thu Dec 14

" the more difficult they make it the less likely the UK will now leave."

No, the UK WILL leave, whatever happens in the negotiations. The question is not if it will leave, but what it and the EU will leave with.

Dr Moose 12:21 Thu Dec 14
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ray winstone 11:40 Thu Dec 14

Its also about an Opposition Leader who is meant to hold the Government to account on the calls the Government made, Brexit is the number one topic and he should be nailing her proverbials to the wall to show us he is\\will be capable of leading the country.

Willtell 11:56 Thu Dec 14
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Putting all jokes and insults aside for a moment and the affect of last night's vote in the Commons is that May's position has been weakened for the EU negotiations.

First she shot herself in the foot by calling an election and now she is paying the price for that arrogant folly by having a small majority.

The EU negotiators are now faced with a weak PM trying to deliver a democratic departure from EU and know that the more difficult they make it the less likely the UK will now leave.

I watched several MP's defending themselves and denying that they were creating a position from which they could stop the UK leaving the EU. They lied.

Those MPs now know they can stop it. The EU know the harder they make it for UK to leave, the more likely those MP's will stop it. The only solution is to now seek a general election or give up on Brexit...

Willtell 11:44 Thu Dec 14
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Here's Thickle getting it from his son's karate instructor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ9Zx2Z0iwo

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