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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Gavros 10:42 Thu Apr 19
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Macron to offer restart of trade talks with US next week when he visits Washington, starting with an offer to reduce car tariffs in exchange for no steel & aluminium tariffs and lower tariffs on US light van imports and a few other things as well.

Also suggesting that US & EU work together regarding Chinese appropriation of technology.

Japan and Singaport FTAs also close to being ratified.

Gavros 3:58 Thu Apr 19
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Indeed. German's need to get on with fiscal transfer.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:56 Thu Apr 19
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Hammer and Pickle 4:14 Sat Apr 14

'the Euro, which is already hard as you like,'

You seem to be missing the point. Germany has a soft currency, dragged down by all the other clag in the EU. Everyone else has a hard currency, over-strengthened by the mighty German economy.

Have you not got up to 'currency unions' in your Economics for Dummies' book?

BRANDED 10:46 Wed Apr 18
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Parliamentary sovereignty.

DaveT 10:32 Wed Apr 18
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You like what am unelected house has voted then Branded?

BRANDED 10:29 Wed Apr 18
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Parliament sovereignty rules.

Hammer and Pickle 4:56 Sat Apr 14
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The fuck it’s got to do with it is the basis for the illegality yo mentioned nobchops.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:53 Sat Apr 14
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What the fuck has Crimea crime sanctions got to do with it?

And yes, it is public knowledge in Poland at the time, but you do understand that we are talking about at the time of the deal, don't you?

Hammer and Pickle 4:37 Sat Apr 14
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It's certainly public knowledge in Poland and it is not against EU Crimea sanctions.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:30 Sat Apr 14
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Are you also suggesting that this deal was public knowledge in Bulgaria and Poland?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:29 Sat Apr 14
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Um... that's not actually true, is it Pickled? Particularly if we allow 'illegal' to cover, 'against EU regulations'.

Hammer and Pickle 4:25 Sat Apr 14
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The trade is not "covert or illegal", Zero.

Hammer and Pickle 4:24 Sat Apr 14
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Yes, I'd rather nobody traded with Putin's crime family. but what was that about...

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:24 Sat Apr 14
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I haven't misinterpreted it, though, have I? You are claiming that's Germany's covert and probably illegal actions that directly benefit itself to Bulgaria's detriment actually benefit Bulgaria in the long run because it is the recipient of past of Germany's net contribution.

Can you point or where either

i) that isn't what you said or
ii) how that differs from what you did say

neilalex 4:15 Sat Apr 14
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Pickle you're just stating exactly the same ridiculous argument in a slightly different way. You're saying that Germany can be excused for underhandedly getting cheap energy at the expense of other EU countries, because they will gain large scale civil engineering contracts as a result, which enable them to contribute more to the EU budget. It's arrant nonsense both in practical and moral terms.

Can you not just accept that they shouldn't have done it, and the EU should not have allowed them to when in possession of the facts for several years? That the reason this happened was because it was Germany? Imagine the German reaction if Russia had done this with anyone else.

Hammer and Pickle 4:14 Sat Apr 14
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The bit about the exchange rates is hilariously funny though as Germany is quite capable of inflating its way out of an over hard currency to benefit its exporters, whether it has the Euro, which is already hard as you like, or the Deutsche Mark.

Try again Zero and stay lubed-up.

Hammer and Pickle 4:09 Sat Apr 14
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What was that about CM misinterpreting people's posts as a method, Zero?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:05 Sat Apr 14
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Ah, so Germany is surreptitiously ripping-off Bulgaria for Bulgaria's benefit. Thanks for clearing that up Pickled.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:02 Sat Apr 14
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Germany claws back every single centime of what it contributes and more. Mostly in the form of an exchange rate which is advantageously low for an exporter such as itself and disadvantageously high for all its less efficient fellow members.

Hammer and Pickle 3:59 Sat Apr 14
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neilalex 2:41 Sat Apr 14

er.. That's your argument and yes it is well... pauce. But in essence what I'm saying is Germany is above all interested in gaining big civil engineering contracts for its manufacturers, who building Putin's folly pipelines gain double by gaining access to Russia's internal market for projects and capital goods. This creates revenue streams that are taxed and are passed on to the EU budget, thus benefitting underdeveloped regions like Bulgaria. This is how the trickle down effect is supposed to work and I know it cuts you nationalists up no-end. Oh and the cheap energy bit is a total red-herring as Germany is well on the way to becoming a net energy producer thanks to renewables.

And master, that bit about triggering slack jawed nationalists wasn't with you in mind. I find it hard to bear you in mind at all but well done for reminding me about your little passive aggressive self.

riosleftsock 3:54 Sat Apr 14
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If Germany is in "partnership" with Russia unilaterally it is probably in breach of the EU regulations.

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