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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Mike Oxsaw 8:53 Tue Feb 20
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Remain old chestnut No. 27: "What is good for British business is automatically good for the British public as a whole."

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Mike Oxsaw 8:45 Tue Feb 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros 8:15 Tue Feb 20

And what about unskilled people? Same applies to them?

Hammer and Pickle 8:27 Tue Feb 20
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BRITISH BUSINESS IS THE MARKET FOR FOREIGN LABOUR AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WITH BREXIT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM

Gavros 8:15 Tue Feb 20
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dog shit.

you can get any skilled non Europan into the country incredibly easily.

in fact you can get any non European into the country incredibly easily. it's why our net migration has stayed exactly where it was beige the Tories promised to rescue it.

BRANDED 8:08 Tue Feb 20
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That would be true after Brexit, but you'd assume that a Scot might be the beneficiary.

Mike Oxsaw 7:30 Tue Feb 20
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Gavros 7:16 Tue Feb 20

At the moment, if there are 3 people in the world who have identical qualifications & experience to perform a particular role in a vacancy a UK company has, if one comes from Poland, one from India and one from Brazil, the protectionism towards those from the EU zone in not having to demonstrate their ability to a 3rd party to even be considered for the role is an outright disgrace.

In fact it's statistical racism in all but name.

One rule for all; open borders OR managed borders - not this political fudge-pack being in the EU imposes on it's constituent donor states.

Hammer and Pickle 7:19 Tue Feb 20
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How's the dollar doing, Fiddle?

Gavros 7:18 Tue Feb 20
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Shut up Fidel you clueless old cunt.

Hammer and Pickle 7:18 Tue Feb 20
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One thing Brexiters are always getting themselves into contortions to believe: the EU is responsible for forcing the UK to accept foreign workers and Brexit will mean political control over the labour market so UK labour is employed instead at rates the UK labour expects.

This is pure economic illiteracy speaking and whatever shape or form of relations the UK is going to have with the EU, fantasy land gaga cargo cult nonsense is what it's going to stay.

Gavros 7:16 Tue Feb 20
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"If the UK can only accommodate 100,000 additional people in any one year, where they come from plays absolutely no part; what they bring determines all"

Do you seriously believe that?

All those non-EU immigrants (100k net + every year since the Tories came to power despite promising to bring it down to 'tens of thousands'....you reckon they were all doctors and engineers?

Bollocks.

Infidel 7:15 Tue Feb 20
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Gavros

You understand nothing about international trade. Zero.

Companies produce products and services that meet the regulations of their domestic market. If they don't, they can't legally sell them.

Those domestic laws are often influenced by global agreements. That doesn't mean they are written in Switzerland, it means that some aspects of them are modified to comply with global agreements (eg on emissions).

When companies sell into a foreign country they adapt their products and services to meet the regulations of those countries. If they don't, they can't legally sell them there either.

All exporting companies know how to do this and don't need any help from you, or the government or the EU. It's what the Export Department of the company does, all day every day.

My company sells products in many overseas markets. We adapt our product line and packaging to meet export market requirements. It's no big deal.

Those regulations are sometimes good and sometimes not. A regulation that says toys cannot have sharp pieces of metal in them or that electric blankets can't be flammable for example are obviously good.

A regulation that says all vacuum cleaners must have bags is obviously bad, because it's a pointless regulation designed to protect local manufacturers who make vacuum cleaners with bags and want to keep Dyson out of their market (this by the way is why Dyson campaigns for Brexit, because it's what the German vacuum cleaner makers actually tried to do).

The EU is the worst offender of the sort of pointless regulations that are created by endless lobbying, cronyism and bribery by big businesses a trying to get protection from competition.

When the EU finally sinks without trace everyone will benefit - consumers, workers, the retail trade - because the EU is a hideous, corrupt snake pit of greased palms and fraud on a grotesque scale. You have to witness it to understand how wicked the whole edifice is. It really is something.

Mike Oxsaw 7:10 Tue Feb 20
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Swiss. 6:26 Tue Feb 20

I'm not suggesting that anyone gets arbitrarily "thrown out", and I don't believe ANYONE who voted for the winning side are, despite many of the more desperate losers trying to foster that view on the world.

More management & control is just that. The UK can determine who can and who can't come and live/work within the nation no matter from where they come.

If the UK can only accommodate 100,000 additional people in any one year, where they come from plays absolutely no part; what they bring determines all.

If the people that qualify for work/residency in any given year are all Poles, Slavs, Indians, Chinese, even fucking Canuks, that's simply the result of matching skills against shortages, and not because someone wants stealthily to shift their own supply/demand imbalance onto the UK in pursuit of their "higher agenda"..

Gavros 6:44 Tue Feb 20
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yes, the problem with that view of the world is that the hundred years war has ended and we cant go about the world nicking everyone else's stuff anymore.

Swiss. 6:42 Tue Feb 20
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But Gav

We are British we make our own rules and be damned if the rest of the world don't comply. We will send our navy and SAS and make them trade with us.

"We'll have our country back!"

Hammer and Pickle 6:41 Tue Feb 20
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Brexit - I can't cope with the real world, this is my chance to fuck it up for anyone who can.

Gavros 6:36 Tue Feb 20
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Brexit - stop the world, I want to get off.

Gavros 6:35 Tue Feb 20
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"We arent going to have your rules any more, were going to make our own for GLOBAL Britain"

"Our rules - which by the way you largely shaped - are global rules, if you break them you cant trade with anybody"

"BULLIES! THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO LEAVE!"

Swiss. 6:26 Tue Feb 20
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*throw out

Swiss. 6:26 Tue Feb 20
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yeah Mike

"More management and control of the Islands on which we all live" = through out all the foreigners. Which Brexit won't achieve either. Just replace Poles with Indians, Chinese and Bangladeshies like me.

Mike Oxsaw 6:22 Tue Feb 20
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I see terms like "pull up the drawbridge" are regularly being bandied about.

The correct term is closer to "More management and control of the Islands on which we all live", but losers still can't resist throwing in a barb instead of getting behind the country's government and offering their expertise, intelligence & knowledge to ensure that the best deal possible for the UK is struck.

The best deal for the UK will also be the best deal for EUROPE, but need not be the best deal for the EU.

Gavros 6:13 Tue Feb 20
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Nicky Morgan, the Conservative former education secretary and leading campaigner for a softer Brexit, has written a Guardian article welcoming David Davis’s speech. She says he has acknowledged the need for compromise.

Here’s an extract.

Successfully delivering Brexit has, in truth, always been about who would be honest enough to set out the compromises needed to actually get the UK to leave. Davis’s speech finally laid out one of those, and offered more clarity on what Brexit can’t deliver if the government really is to keep its “global Britain” promise. The key line is this: “ The future of standards and regulations – the building blocks of free trade – is increasingly global.” UK businesses won’t be relieved of the mythical EU regulations and standards that parts of our media have gone on and on about for decades, because many of them are already global– and in fact, as the secretary of state said, these serve consumers, workers and, in some cases, our environment very well.

As reality bites, it is becoming clearer that those who voted leave because they wanted to pull up the drawbridge on the rest of the world, and because they believed that we could revert to an era when only the UK parliament made our laws, will not be able to get their way. Full marks to Davis for being pretty straight on this and putting an end to the dreams of some that Brexit would herald a low- or minimal-regulatory nirvana.

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