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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 12:24 Wed Dec 13
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“That then puts pressure on schools with thousands of kids not able to speak English having a detrimental affect on the British kids and so on.”

He’s talking about French schools, right?

The Kronic 12:13 Wed Dec 13
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The housing crisis is down to that cunt Thatcher selling off council homes and refusing to build new ones. Her and every successive government since.

pulhampete 12:10 Wed Dec 13
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Willtell
Your point about lack of social housing is bullshit mate. It's down to right to buy (for every 1 affordable house that gets built 3 are being sold off and 75 percent of those end up in the private rented sector).
The housing crisis is a national one, particularly in rural areas which haven't really been touched by EU immigration.

The Kronic 12:05 Wed Dec 13
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Tedious frog cunt.

BRANDED 12:03 Wed Dec 13
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Frog Cunt

Willtell 11:04 Wed Dec 13
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Yes Russ it is and perhaps if I still lived in England I may well have voted out. I don't. I sold my business and took early retirement in France and have made a permanent home there.

My daughter has lived in Spain for a few years and my son is moving to Estonia with his Estonian girlfriend in a few months. Although my wife and I expect to have grand-children anytime in the near future, we have no real call to return to UK. We love the climate, lower cost of living, excellent health service etc. All my family benefit from EU freedom of movement so I voted remain.

However, I am a democrat and believe firmly in it so although I was disappointed and at first thought I might have to return to UK, I objected strongly to wankers that want to over-turn the biggest ever democratic vote with what could prove to be far worse consequences for democracy. All "because they know better than the nasty racist morons blah blah blah!" They are abject cunts that only believe in democracy as long as democracy agrees with them!

I now see that the UK should be out of the EU although I want to stay in it. The pressure on the NHS is all about over 3million EU citizens freely accessing the NHS not that any politician dare say it.

EU citizens have the same rights as UK citizens so to change things you either come out of the EU or do what happens here in France. They make everyone pay a proportion of the bill except for life threatening illnesses like heart and cancer ops That then means thousands of extra civil servants are needed to interview each hospital patient before they are admitted. Every French citizen has a medical card because they have thousands of civil servants running the system that Britain doesn't have

Shortages in social housing is down to EU immigrants being able to show greater need. They cannot be ignored due to Human Rights legislation that cannot be changed under EU law. That in turn puts pressure on house prices...

EU immigrants are fine except most are unskilled from Eastern or Southern Europe and are prepared to work for less plus because of the nature of their work, will avoid taxes wherever they can get cash. That then puts pressure on schools with thousands of kids not able to speak English having a detrimental affect on the British kids and so on.

The only way Britain is compatible with the EU is for social services to be run in similar fashion to those in the EU. For example, I pay for top up insurance as do French citizens. I get exactly what the French get.

That is why all economic migrants head for UK...they can and often pay nothing towards their social services until they get regular salaried work....

Swiss. 10:54 Wed Dec 13
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What would really be the downside of a USofE? People are as diverse in their identity in trhe US as they always have been since independence from Britian. Having worlked in from Texas to Georgia to Californaia to New York trust me thisnis the case. They haven't just amalgamated into one US people.

Btw not to quote me that I'm hugely in favour of this. It's just a rhetorical question?

Coffee 10:50 Wed Dec 13
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BRANDED 10:41 Wed Dec 13

No fear of being denied that on this thread.

BRANDED 10:41 Wed Dec 13
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We need some NEXSHIT

Russ of the BML 10:09 Wed Dec 13
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Willtell 10:06 Wed Dec 13

Yes, sorry I get what you mean now.

I apologise.

But does this not add strength to the fact that people who knew of this (whenever it would eventually be) and didn't like the idea of it were right to vote 'Out'?

Russ of the BML 10:07 Wed Dec 13
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And the jury is still out on Moyes. 4 points from a possible 15 is not exactly what can be regarded as a successful start. LOL

Willtell 10:06 Wed Dec 13
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Russ
It really isn't hard to understand the difference between a vague mention of a possible USofE in future as it was at the time of the referendum.

It only became a reality last week with the French and German proposals for a USofE in 7 years time!

GET IT?

Hammer and Pickle 10:05 Wed Dec 13
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On your way, you skidmark div.

Russ of the BML 10:03 Wed Dec 13
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Willtell 9:59 Wed Dec 13

Well it does. You questioned how I knew prior to voting and said I was talking bollocks.

I couldn't give a flying fuck if a Euro State was 5, 10, 15 or 100 years off. I knew it was their plan when I voted. So I wasn't talking bollocks.

Dwight Van Mann 10:02 Wed Dec 13
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Hammer and Pickle 9:58 Wed Dec 13



don't be like that Picks, it's only a giggle, son.

Russ of the BML 9:59 Wed Dec 13
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Willtell 9:47 Wed Dec 13

I don't like a row. I just find it hard to resist responding to idiots like you who openly on this forum and, it appeared in all seriousness, bascially said that I was talking bollocks because "How could I have known about an EU super-state before voting in the referendum as it was only just discussed last week"

Jesus fucking Christ.

Willtell 9:59 Wed Dec 13
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No need to get angry Russ.

Nothing you have posted there disagrees with what I said. NOTHING!

The USofE was a vague threat away in the distance. Now it is proposed for 7 years time.

CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DRIBBLING MONG?

Hammer and Pickle 9:58 Wed Dec 13
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Bet you reckon you’re clever, DVM.

Be careful though because you are pig-shit thick.

Johnson 9:56 Wed Dec 13
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You know it’s him by the long neck and the drink on the go, orwells

Russ of the BML 9:54 Wed Dec 13
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WILLTELL: READ AND LEARN, NUMPTY.

Link from May 2016:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/26/boris-johnson-british-people-unreal-stories-eu-Juncker

Snippet from link:

Boris Johnson hit back with claims that Germany was the “paymaster” of an EU project designed to create a United States of Europe.

“I’m afraid what I am saying to the British people is in line with reality and if we vote to remain, which I sincerely hope we don’t, then they will go on with measures that will take us further into a federal European Super-state,” he told Sky News.

Link from June 2016

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/679277/History-EU-how-bureaucrats-seized-power

Snippet from link:

How could the various peoples ever be persuaded to hand over their countries from democracy to oligarchy, the government of the elite? Let me quote from what has been written in EU policy recently: "Europe's nations should be guided towards the Super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation."

Link from June 2016:

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/1/8874403/united-states-of-europe

Snippet from link:

Greece's expected "no" vote in today's referendum sets it up to be the first country to ever to abandon the euro. It's a big blow to the cause of European integration, perhaps the biggest in the history of the European Union.

But the European project doesn't have to be doomed. The remaining members of the euro can, and should, push for closer union. Their task is simple: Make the European Union more like the United States.

Link from June:

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/25/11110592/brexit-britain-vote-explained

If Greece were an independent country with its own currency, it could have addressed the crisis by devaluing its currency and stabilizing its debt with depreciated cash.

On the other hand, if the EU were a single sovereign nation like the United States, it would have a nationwide, federally funded social safety net, which would have meant that a local economic downturn would not have been as devastating to Greece's budget.

Instead, Greece was stuck with the worst of both worlds: It didn't have the autonomy to deal with the crisis itself, nor were there EU-wide institutions powerful enough to address it effectively.

Link from June 2015:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/john-king-left-wing-case-leaving-eu

Snippet from link:

It is essential to understand where the EU is heading. The mission? To create a centralised superstate. As the former European Commission president José Manuel Barroso said in 2007: “. . . I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empire. We have the dimension of empire.” While there have been idealists involved and progressive laws made along the way, at its core it is undemocratic and distant, a threat to all those living in its shadow. However sweet the propaganda, it is a tool for multinationals, another part of the globalisation process.

Link from November 2014:

https://merijnoudenampsen.org/2014/11/14/why-the-eu-is-not-a-brussels-superstate/

Snippet from link:

The present situation of an undemocratic European Union with expansive political powers to overrule national states and force through free market policies, but a total lack of legitimacy amongst the electorate to pursue social policies is exactly where Hayek and his great admirer Margaret Thatcher would have wanted us to be. The federal European state, with a functioning democracy and social policies was never their agenda, and ceased to be on the table ever since the nineties. That is why someone like former EU-commissioner Frits Bolkenstein is now happy to deride the europhiles on Dutch national television. Anti-European conservatism and pro-European neoliberalism are hand in glove.



I mean seriously, are you a fucking alien that's just landed. The last link I happily provide is from November 2014 where already it was being discussed if the EU was heading towards a Euro Super-state.

Do I need to embarrass you anymore. Albeit for me to say "And you tell me to keep up". You come onto a public internet forum and say with all seriousness the EU super-state was only first discussed last week????

Fucking hell, you pillock.

Willtell 9:47 Wed Dec 13
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Russ of the BML 9:29
You like a row don't you. My point is merely that the USofE was something way off in the distance. Now German politicians are calling for it to happen by 2025 and, I understand it is in proposals by Macron for the advancement of the EU.

That all happened last week and that's the difference. Eighteen months ago it was easy to ignore or push to the back of the mind like Turkey and an EU army.

A USofE in seven years away cannot so easily be ignored...

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