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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Mike Oxsaw 8:30 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
"The EU is punishing the UK by letting it leave the EU exactly the terms the UK chooses to leave on."

The EU doesn't have a choice - them's the rules on leaving. Now, who was it, I wonder, who wrote and agreed those rules? Any dissenters at the time amongst the happy-clappy club?

orwells tragedy 7:48 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Far Cough 7:41 Wed Jun 20
"remember De Gaulle's NON, to us joining?"

He diid that because the details of the CAP hadn't been finalised, once it was sorted he wanted us in to subsidise French farming.

Hammer and Pickle 7:47 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The EU is punishing the UK by letting it leave the EU exactly the terms the UK chooses to leave on. And it will certainly accept the “no-deal” terms that would satisfy you most. What an evil, viscious punishment - glad that’s sorted then.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:43 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
I keep saying it FC, Google 'Mitteleuropa' and 'Bethman-Hollweg's war aims', then look at a map of Europe in 1943.

Then look at the EU.

Far Cough 7:41 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
In the old common market, France called the shots, remember De Gaulle's NON, to us joining? Now it's Germany trying to do what they couldn't do on the battlefield. Cunts, the lot of them

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:37 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Hammer and Pickle 5:40 Wed Jun 20

'Last I heard the 27 were all fully sovereign nation states delegating certain powers to the EU'

So, precisely as I said, when you join the EU you check your sovereignty in at the door. Thank you for agreeing.

And, let's be in no doubt, the EU is attempting to punish the UK for daring to reclaim its sovereignty.

Hammer and Pickle 7:24 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
So when you claim, but totally fail to substantiate, that the bulk of UK corporate tax avoidance has been through the Luxembourg tax scam, it's an "irony", but when the EU does something about it, that is your evidence members are not sovereign (rather than sovereigns breaking the EU rules on taxation they themselves signed up to).

It must be great being UKIP economic analyst - you can pretty much say anything to someone who argues against Brexit and your base of stout yeoman will claim you are "smashing them up". How cool is that?

Prometheus50 6:41 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
H&P

No you've not got that even close to straight

The EU intervened to determine that Ireland could not set its own corporate tax rates at a certain level

They are applying the same to Luxembourg

Mike Oxsaw 6:23 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
It must have been all that lovely EU inbound cash that enabled Eire to fund offering such discounts - the amount of money involved would completely modernise a small African state and so is not something any government is likely to turn it's nose up at.

So, basically, the EU encourages stitching your fellow club members up on a continuous basis, rather than just calmly & quietly leaving it if it no longer meets your requirements.

Hammer and Pickle 6:22 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
So let me get this straight - the members are not sovereign because the EU steps in when the incumbent Irish government allows US corporations like Apple to avoid paying corporate tax in Ireland?

Dooby doo. Best not to say any more brothersir.

Gavros 6:14 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Yeah that sort of difference.

Bungs for large American firms to pay fuck all in taxes. If it happened here you'd be up in arms but because its the EU stopping it it must be a good thing.

Twats.

Hammer and Pickle 6:13 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
So let's see where say Holland or Austria or Portugal or Slovakia have had their fiscal policies dictated to by the EU in their last Minister of Finance's budget (accepted by their respected no-longer-sovereign parliaments).

Oh and which organ of the EU has done the dictating and how?

Mike Oxsaw 6:10 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
You mean, like, setting the rate at 0% for certain taxes, Gavvy, THAT sort of difference?

Prometheus50 6:07 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros

the claim made was that Eurozone member states are sovereign

That includes the right to charge whatever tax rate they deem fit to attract foreign investment

As the EU said they cannot do that, it means they are not sovereign after all

Gavros 6:00 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
There's clearly a difference between sovereignty to set your own corporate tax rates and offering to charge fuck all in taxes like Ireland did.

Prometheus50 5:55 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
H&P

Yet a fully sovereign nation state has powers to set its own taxation rates surely ?

Yet the case of Ireland and Apple, and the ongoing current probe into Luxembourg, both driven by Magrethe Verstager, clearly state that the EU has the final say on taxation for Eurozone member states, not the supposed sovereign elected national governments

The common denominator again is Germany who demand that other Eurozone member states not be allowed to set tax rates that give them a competitive edge

So not sovereign at all

Hammer and Pickle 5:54 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
*Article 7

There you go Flatty, that's one for your stats.

Hammer and Pickle 5:45 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Poland's current government is not abiding by its own constitution and is therefore being sanctioned under Article & of the Lisbon Treaty. In effect, the European Commission is supporting Polish democratic sovereignty, which is being abused by a power-crazed band of rightwing nutjobs.

Hammer and Pickle 5:40 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Last I heard the 27 were all fully sovereign nation states delegating certain powers to the EU, making their governments more, not less, effective in the globalised world.

However, of course, these powers can be reclaimed at any time such a sovereign invokes Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty regulating all members' status. The UK is leaving having done just that, and it is absolutely free to leave by all means it sees fit.

So what are you talking about Zero?

Prometheus50 5:39 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
H&P

You may not have noticed (but will soon enough understand) that when Hungary, Czech Republic, Italy and Poland take umbrage with an EU rule, the get subjected to abuse and threats by the EU Commission including the recent funding cuts announced a couple of weeks ago

But when Germany and France propose changes, the Commission seems strangely silent even though what is being proposed a)also breaches current EU rules and b) would surely require a new treaty if, as you claim, the Eurozone members states had sovereinty

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:26 Wed Jun 20
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Er... you seem to be assuming that the 27 residual members retain the status of proper nation states.

You're trying to construct a massive straw man again aren't you? In order to deflect from being smashed to fuck by everyone today.

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