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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Crassus 11:56 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Pickle

I distinctly remember Blair saying there would be no more than 70k Poles and Romanians entering the UK, over a million later and that has no impact upon the infrastructure?

Of migrants per se, I don't doubt that the EU types are net contributors, but my specific gripe are the non EU economic migrants encouraged by the EU who, not unreasonably, see our benefits as a reason for being here.

And don't get me started upon the alleged refugees seeking EU asylum who are aided and abetted against international convention, by EU member states. In fact the very individuals that your country will not accept.

I told you at the time, Merkel was creating a pan European shitstorm, I was right.

boltkunt 11:54 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
So it's possible to keep track of those who get here by boat, completely avoid checks by hiding in vans, crates and the like?

Righto.

Gavros 11:51 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
No Bolty, there's nothing stopping us from monitoring the number of EU and non-EU nationals coming in and leaving the country.

Currently its guessed at. For non-EU nationals they weigh boxes full of landing cards to get an idea.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:51 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros 11:41 Wed Sep 26

' the average EU migrant adds about £2500 per person per year to the public finances, because they are generally young and generally working and paying taxes.'

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

The 'average' EU immigrant includes a huge number of French, German, Dutch and Italian bankers who earn huge bonuses, pay enormous amounts of tax and will get a work permit in an instant.

Plus, those figures (from LSE) have been discredited by the Professor of Statistics at, yes, you guessed it, the LSE, who pointed out that the assumptions made in the calculations by the Economics dept were flagrantly biased.

Willtell 11:48 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros don't you understand that I am saying that contrary to what Pickled said, we get positive information about EU immigration all the time?

boltkunt 11:47 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Freedom of movement, Gavros son.

However that wasn't the point I was trying to make and you know it.

Britannia Pub 11:47 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
I believe the theory is that, for EU citizens, an EHIC card should be presented when accessing NHS services and the patients home nation reimburse the NHS.

Someone saying that immigration has not impacted the NHS when they haven’t lived in the country for 30+ years is naive at best. In the last 30 years the UK population has grown by over 9million people so of course it’s had an impact.

Gavros 11:46 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
And who's fault is it that we dont actually count the number of people coming in and leaving, Bolty?

Willtell 11:46 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros 11:41
Don't be so stupid Gavros. Have a look at the thread title - it's about the EU!

That means we're talking about Immigration from the EU not "non-EU " immigration you moron...

Spandex Sidney 11:44 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
I reckon this will still be going when we have evolved beyond having small toes.

Some of you really need to discover internet pornography and wanking. I can highly recommend it, especially at work like me now.

None of you will care about the problems of the transit of Spanish peaches once you have watched Dirty Shitbox Sluts and their Black Mandingo Masters IV for half hour.

boltkunt 11:43 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros, the only argument to that is the state doesn't know the exact numbers of immigrants in the UK, who are still using services like the NHS.

If we knew exactly the amount, the figures you gave would have a lot more substance.

Gavros 11:41 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
youre reading a load of old shit then willtell. The average non-EU migrant to the UK is indeed a burden on the state (about £800 per person per year) but the average EU migrant adds about £2500 per person per year to the public finances, because they are generally young and generally working and paying taxes.

boltkunt 11:40 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
There's a whole host of reasons the NHS is fucked, 1 of those is down to the increased use by immigrants, but that's not the sole problem an anyone with half a brain knows this.

Unfortunately it's EASY for people to blame immigration on the NHS waiting times, poor care etc etc. This is just narrow mindedness.

Willtell 11:38 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
How do you know that Pickled? You've lived in Poland for 30 years and read The Guardian.

Is it lies that immigrants make more money than they get out of the state? Because that's the kind of stories I've been reading online and in UK broadcast media...

Gavros 11:37 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
yes, the Directive is superseded in part by the European Health Insurance Card, but there's not complete cover.

Hammer and Pickle 11:35 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
People in the UK are being fed a pack of lies about immigration being a burden on the NHS to distract attention from the lack of proper policy and funding from the government, not the EU.

Calling me names for pointing it out only shows you like being lied to, which unfortunate can’t be treated on the NHS.

boltkunt 11:30 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Gavros, in some instances EU nationals do have to pay for treatment, I believe it depends on the type of treatment.

New Jersey 11:24 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Britannia - That's the problem with the site clown, H&P, you can't have a proper discussion!

People in the UK are pissed off at the burden immigration puts on the NHS (both EU and non EU), if we insisted they take out health insurance, it would help the NHS.

Gavros 11:21 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The decision to treat foreigners for free in emergencies is our decision alone. Under EU Directive 2004 (38) EU nationals have to provide for their own medical insurance in other EU countries for the 90 day grace period they have to get a job in that country, otherwise they can be deported back home.

Britannia Pub 11:11 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
He didn’t say it pissed HIM off. He used a French woman as an example. It could just as easily been a Romanian woman or any other EU country woman as the example.

Hammer and Pickle 10:51 Wed Sep 26
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Why exactly does it piss you off?

The UK system is better and it’s not as if there are hordes of French wives queuing up to break their legs on Ben Nevis?

What’s your problem?

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