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Q: Manuel Pellegrini
a. A great signing for the Club and maybe the change of direction we all need
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b. It will only be a great signing if the Board back him with decent funds
51%
  
c. This is West Ham so it will only end in farce
16%
  
d. I'm not sure about this one, I'll wait until SKY is back to hear what Gary Neville thinks, then I'll voice my opinion
2%
  



Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 6:46 Tue Jun 19
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
You couldn't help yourself to save your life, Descent.

Eerie Descent 6:44 Tue Jun 19
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Hammer and Pickle 6:38 Tue Jun 19

*shreds

No problem, I'm here to help.

Johnson 6:44 Tue Jun 19
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You could say that about any vote ever.

Which I'm sure you would if you happened to land on the losing side, almost a given that youldn't have such a conscience if we'd voted to remain.

Prometheus50 6:43 Tue Jun 19
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Yes

The referendum saw 52:48 in favour of leaving

The General Election saw 83% of votes cast for parties with manifestos committed to upholding the referendum outcome, leaving the Single Market and leaving the customs union

(essentially can we at least agree there is a mandate for leave the legal supremacy of the European Court of Justice and all the EU institutions covered by acts from 1972 to 2008?

You cannot take the weasly AC Grayling stance of insisting on a vote every year until you get the outcome you want You have to deliver the outcome currently mandated and only after that is done, you make your case to rejoin

, 6:39 Tue Jun 19
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No, what I actually mean is that what we do should reflect the feeling of the electorate. Take the Scottish independence referendum as an example because in that case there was a result conclusive enough to put the question away for a generation.

However for the EU referendum the closeness of the vote and the subsequent time it will have taken to officially regain our sovereignty means that at the time of leaving nobody can be clear that it is the will of the people. Democracy is all about the will of the people here and now and not from nearly three years prior.

To me any true supporter of democracy will want to see the will of the people prevail.

So my question to you is can you put your hand on heart and say, next March, that the will of the UK electorate is being satisfied.

Hammer and Pickle 6:38 Tue Jun 19
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Is that the way you see the world Descent?

You obviously don't feel part of Europe either, but that's not me being "ripped to threads" when she confirms it.

Can't help you with that then.

Eerie Descent 6:35 Tue Jun 19
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Yes. She makes you look like an absolute wally, every time.

And again, fair play to you for your persistence. It's the best thing about you.

Well, the only thing about you worth a rub of salt.

Hammer and Pickle 6:33 Tue Jun 19
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Was that her ripping me to shreds?

Ah bless you Descent, you very strange little man.

Johnson 6:31 Tue Jun 19
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, 5:40 Tue Jun 19

What you actually mean is keep voting till you get what you want despite you lying the other day about accepting the result.

What about the people who shift 3 years older and therefore move into a more Leave voting skew?

Eerie Descent 6:31 Tue Jun 19
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One thing I'll give you credit for Pickle, even in the face of getting absolutely ripped to shreds daily by Nurse, you keep coming back for more. That must take some effort.

Prometheus50 6:29 Tue Jun 19
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In addition I would dismiss your claim that the youth have been left an uncertain future

Do you seriously believe the EU now is going to be the same when its opponents have apparently all died ? Do you have the faintest idea of the crisis the EU is hurtling towards because of the appalling single currency and the 'save it at all costs' approach of the hierarchy ?

The collapse of the EU is not imminent But unless it embraces fundamental reform and change which, in my view, has to include the break up of the single currency, it will not survive under the weight of grotesque incompetence and hubris that currently drives it

Is that the certain future you were thinking about for our children, where they have no control over the outcome ?

Nurse Ratched 6:21 Tue Jun 19
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That is one of the loveliest things anybody has ever said to me. Thank you.

Hammer and Pickle 6:18 Tue Jun 19
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You never belonged in the EU Ratched, that much is true.

Nurse Ratched 6:17 Tue Jun 19
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I had to wait 35 years for my chance to vote is out of the EU.

The YOOT can wait their 35 years.

, 6:15 Tue Jun 19
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Interesting reply much of which I agree with however your answer does not address the probability that by the time we leave there is the likelyhood that the electorate available by then would vote to remain if given the opportunity.

So just think about this, that when we leave nobody can say for sure it is what the UK electorate want. The only way to be sure is to hold another referendum, I am a fan of them.

orwells tragedy 6:09 Tue Jun 19
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"Four legs good, two legs better"

Prometheus50 6:07 Tue Jun 19
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I think that is a contemptible observation not least because the British establishment denied the people a vote (and thus had no mandate) to pass the Maastricht Treaty which marked the shedding of the disguise of the EEC as an economic trading bloc to the real agenda of a federalist political union

It is likely that the UK would have voted to reject the Maastricht Treaty yet John Major shamefully forced it through Parliament with the most aggressive whipping exercise seen in the Commons

What is ironic is that had Gordon Brown had any courage to uphold the 2005 Labour manifesto pledge to hold an EU referendum on the Lisbon Treaty (sic European Constitution) that would almost certainly have been won as the world economy was heading into a recession

Instead we had to wait until 2016 and people like you think it scandalous that people of my generation may never live to see the UK out of this disgraceful political project designed solely to create authoritarian dogmatic rule of Europe from an unelected political elite

Shame on you for even harbouring that thought, let alone sharing it

orwells tragedy 6:00 Tue Jun 19
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I don't think there is a single Leave voter on here wouldn't be happy to be in a trading bloc with the EU

Britannia Pub 6:00 Tue Jun 19
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TLE, I have no real objections to another referendum once the details of any “deal” is known. IF it returns a leave verdict what then? I’m not convinced that enough (if any) people have changed their minds on either side.

Leavers seem to accept that there is going to be a financial cost for leaving but believe that it is a price worth paying even when they might not know the exact cost. Remainers want to stay in whatever it costs in terms of strain on the infrastructure.

At the moment there is so much speculation about what MIGHT happen it’s ridiculous.

orwells tragedy 5:57 Tue Jun 19
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As i said, if you knew anything about its establishment and history you would know its direction and wouldn't come out with NAIVE comments like this:

"Here's what I want.
UK to stay member of EU but not in Euro.
No federal government for all of Europe rather a trading bloc...."

the last eastender 5:41 Tue Jun 19
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Orwell

You know the EU 's future?
What's your real name Nostradamus?

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