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24%
  
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13%
  
d. We should be pleaed the football's back but after the last humiliation and the Board's ineptitude, my passion for WHU has been sucked out of me
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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Russ of the BML 1:01 Fri Nov 17
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There you go Pickle. Ken Clarke changed his opinion.

Willtell 12:58 Fri Nov 17
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Ken Clarke is an expert we should all listen to like we did when he wanted us to join the Euro in the 90's and admitted this in 2005...

Ken Clarke: I was wrong ... the euro is a failure
By Greg Hurst, Political Correspondent
August 23 2005, 1:00am,
The Times
KENNETH CLARKE declared the euro a failure yesterday by proving itself unable to usher in a new era of economic reform and higher living standards in Europe.

In an abrupt about-turn from the Conservative Party’s most passionate pro-European figure, he said that conditions had never been right for Britain to join and predicted that it would remain the case for at least a decade.

Russ of the BML 12:44 Fri Nov 17
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Hammer and Pickle 10:45 Fri Nov 17

Thank you for that. When I have some time I will watch it.

But without yet watching I know for a fact that I could find similar stuff on You Tube from a prominent figure stating the opposite. And why in fact it is more economically sensible for the UK to come out of the EU.

As I said, it's all about opinions based on experience, knowledge and personal feeling. Any financial expert that is pro-Brexit could probably sit and argue the opposite of Clarke's comments all day long.

As I said before, there is nobody right and nobody wrong. Remainers have turned it into a battle between pro and anti and all they do is try to make the pro side wrong. Obsessively so.

If everybody just agreed that there is no right or wrong way.... Then the process of coming out would a lot easier. And it seems to be the people making it difficult are the ones with an anti-Brexit agenda. That's human nature.

goose 12:00 Fri Nov 17
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most sensible thing you've posted in months Gavlar.

Gavros 11:57 Fri Nov 17
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why dont you all just shut up.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:51 Fri Nov 17
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Hammer and Pickle 10:42 Fri Nov 17

No they are code for, 'your tedious and oft-repeated arguments are transparently based on self-interest'. And, 'you're drunk'.

Hammer and Pickle 11:23 Fri Nov 17
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Thanks

Coffee 11:18 Fri Nov 17
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*its

Hammer and Pickle 11:16 Fri Nov 17
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Then we’re going to have to agree to disagree Coffee as in my opinion your view on the centralisation of the EU and it’s democratic deficit rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what representative democracy is all about.

Coffee 11:12 Fri Nov 17
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Hammer and Pickle 10:45 Fri Nov 17

I don't want to get involved any further with this interminable discussion, but will say this.

I agree with Clarke on the reasons for joining the EU. Those reasons were primarily economic.

I absolutely cannot abide the EU's push towards increased centralisation and, to be polite, its democratic deficit. I cannot see that it will be possible to turn that trend around, even if the UK remains in the EU.

So let the UK create new agreements.

Hammer and Pickle 11:02 Fri Nov 17
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Actually, what I find most instructive about the footage I've posted up is the face of the MP behind Clarke on the left, the one without the specs.

Who is the cove?

Willtell 10:54 Fri Nov 17
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Ken Clarke has been well known as a remain campaigner for years. What possible interest would anyone have for wasting another 10 minutes listening to a BOF on the subject?

Hammer and Pickle 10:45 Fri Nov 17
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Coffee 10:40 Fri Nov 17 and Russ.

I'd refer you to anything Ken Clarke has to say on the matter. For example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60uHy-cUmHw

Willtell 10:45 Fri Nov 17
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Ha ha ha ha!

Hammer and Pickle 10:42 Fri Nov 17
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I see that "you live in Poland" and "you are drunk" are code for "I don't have any sensible arguments" and "I'm feeling all teary and upset".

Ah bless.

Coffee 10:40 Fri Nov 17
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Russ, I suspect that fear of the unknown plays a major role in the Remainers' rantings.

FWIW, I'm still undecided whether it's better to be in or out of the EU, but now that the decision's been made it's in everyone's interests that a resolution beneficial to all is achieved.

Russ of the BML 10:36 Fri Nov 17
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Hammer and Pickle 9:55 Thu Nov 16

"I see its faults like you but also the positives, and for me the positives outweigh the negatives."

Very fair perspective. But what you fail to understand or don't want to accept is that many people's opinion is very similar except the other way around.

I mean, personally, I also see the EU's faults and also the positives, but for me the negative's outweigh the positives.

I also won't go into listing them as it's been done to death. But life can really be that simple. I don't make you wrong in your opinion but why is it Remainers are so hell-bent on trying to prove people like me wrong.

It's about opinion. Some opinions are formed more rationally and sensibly than others, but nevertheless it's an opinion. And more people had the same opinion as me than you. That's why we are coming out.

If the Remainers could accept that then this whole process would be a lot easier don't you think?

Coffee 10:22 Fri Nov 17
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Side of Ham 12:17 Fri Nov 17

If you think moving to Poland is bad, there's some idiot on here who's moved to Calcutta.

Lee Trundle 10:17 Fri Nov 17
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Blimey!

H&P hit the meths hard last night judging by his ramblings.

Willtell 10:08 Fri Nov 17
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Side of Ham 12:17 Fri Nov 17
"I don’t want sticking up for Cuckoldy i haven’t run away from anything. You however are crying out for a frwend on here after you’ve run away from something here and obviously haven’t made many new friends over there. Who the fuck actually moves TO Poland?"
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Nail on head there Side of Ham.

Side of Ham 12:27 Fri Nov 17
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Idiotic is taking constant degradation in and off this site.

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