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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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, 4:09 Thu Dec 13
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The majority win the day and the minority respect the decision. Absolutely bang on.

And three years later the right of a changed electorate to make their own decision must be respected too.

Willtell 4:06 Thu Dec 13
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Andrew Neil
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President Macron’s €10bn of concessions may not placate the gilets jaunes but they will take the French budget deficit over 3% GDP (unless big spending cuts). A breach of EU rules for which Brussels is currently pursuing Italy ...
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Of course the EU will be fair. They will tell Macron he can't do that the same as they do the RW govt in Italy won't they...?

Willtell 3:56 Thu Dec 13
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Hammer and Pickle 3:47 Thu Dec 13
"Democracy is not about taking stupid decisions like leaving the SM and CU and being held hostage by the people who voted in support of the stupid decision. Democracy is not a race to win the Darwin Awards."

Really!? FMOB try and tell us what democracy IS not what in your opinion it isn't!

Don't worry. I will tell you. The majority win the day and the losers support the decision. If they don't support the majority you get anarchy....

Cony Tottee 3:56 Thu Dec 13
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:47 Thu Dec 13

No worries. So who is he then?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:54 Thu Dec 13
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Gavros 3:49 Thu Dec 13

'"We were told clearly the decision was to leave the CU, the SM and all the institutions - what has since been re-branded 'a hard Brexit'."

Not by your own side, you weren't. '

They were. And they were told again in both parties' manifestos. Do we have to drag up that Andrew Neil interview again?

zico 3:53 Thu Dec 13
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, 2:47 Thu Dec 13

Yes I know what you are saying but all I am saying is where does it stop? Say there is another referendum and Leave wins again by 52% to 48% or the other way around, there will still be people who don't agree and want another one and another one until they get what they want.

Proof of the pudding is that fella last night saying May should go to the Queen and resign. Clearly someone who thought she would lose the vote and threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't get the result that he wanted. There are plenty that are like that and won't accept whatever vote/decision.

At the time I didn't actually vote as I couldn't give a monkeys either way. But what baffles me now after all this time is even though the EU are being petty back stabbing parasites showing their true colours a lot of people still want to stay in the EU?!?!? I just don't get that. It's a bit like divorcing the other half and when they suddenly say they want this that and the other and set out to ruin you for the sake of hassle you decide to stay with them??!? It's just baffling to me.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:52 Thu Dec 13
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Gavros 3:49 Thu Dec 13

You seem to be calling for another referendum on the basis that Remain ran a rotten campaign and nobody believed them.

Willtell 3:49 Thu Dec 13
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overbyyer 3:40
Really?! That's all down to Brexit including lying to the British public? We will not have an election.

We will not have an election.

We will not have an election.

We will not have an election.

We will have a snap election while Labour are in disarray...

Gavros 3:49 Thu Dec 13
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"We were told clearly the decision was to leave the CU, the SM and all the institutions - what has since been re-branded 'a hard Brexit'."

Not by your own side, you weren't. One of the most ridiculous assertions in this fucking joke of a debate is leavers now claiming that what the Remain side said about the post Brexit environment was the truth (which they back then believed) but what their own leaders said was lies.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:48 Thu Dec 13
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The electorate majority opinion is to leave. As shown by the referendum result. We can't keep having a referendum every day.

Ask again in 41 years.

Hammer and Pickle 3:47 Thu Dec 13
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Democracy is not about taking stupid decisions like leaving the SM and CU and being held hostage by the people who voted in support of the stupid decision. Democracy is not a race to win the Darwin Awards.

Hammer and Pickle 3:47 Thu Dec 13
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Democracy is not about taking stupid decisions like leaving the SM and CU and being held hostage by the people who voted in support of the stupid decision. Democracy is not a race to win the Darwin Awards.

, 3:46 Thu Dec 13
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Nurse do you have a view about leaving the EU when at the same time the electorate majority opinion is to remain?

Willtell 3:44 Thu Dec 13
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Comma 3:20

We regularly cross swords but seriously, is that relevant?

Had a cross party Brexit voter committee taken charge, they would have arranged the country for a WTO deal and said to the EU "we're off in 2 years. If you want a deal call us..."

That didn't happen because an incompetent woman that didn't want to leave decided to glory chase Brexit by ensuring a lesser form of EU membership. 2 and 1/2 years later we have reached the present impasse.

Now had we all known that we were leaving on WTO terms and agreed to allow EU citizens in UK to stay, we would have got on with it. Business and industry would have been clear on the direction we were taking and business as usual could have been the result.

Instead we have had nothing but speculation, doom mongering and gossip. That is the kind of environment where those that are only comfortable with the status quo, because they cannot imagine that change of any kind will always be worse to let their shallow minds run away with themselves...

That's why remain is seen to have a big voice in UK by the EU so giving them hope of keeping UK in the EU by offering a bad, expensive deal. That in turn feeds the remainers to say "what's the point of leaving for such a bad deal..." and then WTO becomes "crashing out" when it works well for its 164 member nations...

And then the next stage after 2 & 1/2 years of uncertainty and debate comes the call for a 2nd referendum.....

Remainers are disingenuous cunts and they know it. Roll on the US of E...

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:42 Thu Dec 13
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overbyyer 3:34 Thu Dec 13

The public MIGHT tolerate a 'leave on this deal or leave on WTO terms' referendum. It will not sit still for 'take this deal or stay in'.

Nurse Ratched 3:41 Thu Dec 13
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Even if that was the case, I don't care. We had the referendum. The Govt promised to act on it and left the decision to the electorate. We were told clearly the decision was to leave the CU, the SM and all the institutions - what has since been re-branded 'a hard Brexit'.

We know the result of the referendum.

There is NO excuse not to act on it.

You don't 'get' democracy. I understand that. It's a personality thing. It takes all sorts.

overbyyer 3:40 Thu Dec 13
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Willtell wrote...

Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
overbyyer 3:05

Bloody hell man! Where have you been? Posting up why 117 of her party members have no confidence in her as leader would take hours but briefly, try -

1. lying repeatedly to MPs and public
2. losing a majority in a needless election
3. being in contempt of Parliament
4. passing off a bad deal that keeps UK in the EU customs union as the only available deal and after preaching "No deal is better than a bad deal..."
5. agreeing to pay £39bn (4 years membership fees) before negotiating a trade deal with the EU!

Enough to be going on with?



And every single one of those points relates to dissatisfaction over Brexit from within her own party.

boltkunt 3:40 Thu Dec 13
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Deal with it.

Yes you should, Pickled.

We had the vote, you lost. End of story.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:39 Thu Dec 13
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As for 'deal-knowing'. An overwhelmingly pro-Remain civil service negotiates a deal on behalf of a Remain-dominated government led by a Remainer PM with the EU, who don't want us to leave.

By some miracle, this ends up being a bad deal. The Remainer opposition loudly proclaims it to be a bad deal. So Remainer Parliament sends the deal to the public on a 'take it or stay in the EU basis'.

That would be a triumph for democracy and would certainly not lead to public contempt for the political process, civil strife and a massive surge of support for extremist parties.

boltkunt 3:39 Thu Dec 13
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The basis for a lot of people is not to stop Brexit

Yes it is. Look at the reaction when May asked the question, and majority of the remain lot do not want brexit and want it blocked.

Gavros, PROJECT FEAR didn't grow from nothing. It was completely fabricated bollocks.

As I said, that happened on both sides. At Least I'm not afraid to admit that.

Hammer and Pickle 3:38 Thu Dec 13
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The referendum did not provide sufficient legitemacy for Leavers to achieve their desired purpose.

Sometimes lessons in responsibility can be harsh in the adult world. Just because you have won a vote to leave the EU does not mean that is possible. You’ve been had. Deal with it.

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