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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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BRANDED 2:34 Mon Oct 15
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Cheaper food is easy. Eat plants.
Cheaper plants is easy. Investment in innovation.

Nothing is fucking hard.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:32 Mon Oct 15
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Nonsense indeed as the article I posted last week written by a 19 year veteran of the WTO showed.

zebthecat 2:13 Mon Oct 15
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"That is nonsense to suggest the WTO would get the UK to impose a physical border with Eire"

Nonsense indeed

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

New Jersey 2:08 Mon Oct 15
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Gavros - That is nonsense to suggest the WTO would get the UK to impose a physical border with Eire, they're the World's advocates of free trade!

Paddy from Dublin turns up at the border with a lorry full of Guinness for Belfast, just isn't going to be stopped, he will drive straight through.

Gavros 2:05 Mon Oct 15
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
with regards to food and agriculture, the only way of lowering prices would be to lower standards, but there is zero appetite for that.

Gavros 2:03 Mon Oct 15
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"there is NO NEED for a PHYSICAL BARRIER"

Apart from WTO rules.

New Jersey 2:02 Mon Oct 15
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Gavros - There would be a significant benefit to negotiate our own deals concerning food and agricultural products as these are particularly high in the EU. It could lead to lower food prices, which would be a benefit, particularly low income families, who spend a larger proportion of their income on food. Obviously not a concern for champagne socialists such as Tony Blair and Keir Starmer etc!

Mike Oxsaw 1:57 Mon Oct 15
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Could be a shrewd move by the UK in handing the remaining 6 counties over to Eire. Offload a shed-load of problems and their associated costs (I know it's an expanding local economy, but it's expanding from a very low base).

The EU will then need an army to deal with the issues there it has assumed responsibility for.

Whatever happens, there is NO NEED for a PHYSICAL BARRIER.

BRANDED 1:54 Mon Oct 15
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The UK received 385 million USD of its Marshall Plan aid in the form of loans.[101] Unconnected to the Marshall Plan the UK also received direct loans from the US amounting to 4.6 billion USD.[101] The proportion of Marshall Plan loans versus Marshall Plan grants was roughly 15% to 85% for both the UK and France.[104]

Germany, which up until the 1953 Debt agreement had to work on the assumption that all the Marshall Plan aid was to be repaid, spent its funds very carefully. Payment for Marshall Plan goods, "counterpart funds", were administered by the Reconstruction Credit Institute, which used the funds for loans inside Germany. In the 1953 Debt agreement, the amount of Marshall plan aid that Germany was to repay was reduced to less than 1 billion USD.[105] This made the proportion of loans versus grants to Germany similar to that of France and the UK.[104] The final German loan repayment was made in 1971.[106] Since Germany chose to repay the aid debt out of the German Federal budget, leaving the German ERP fund intact, the fund was able to continue its reconstruction work. By 1996 it had accumulated a value of 23 billion Deutsche Mark.[107]

BRANDED 1:48 Mon Oct 15
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The largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some eighteen European countries received Plan benefits.[6] Although offered participation, the Soviet Union refused Plan benefits, and also blocked benefits to Eastern Bloc countries, such as Hungary and Poland.[7] The United States provided similar aid programs in Asia, but they were not part of the Marshall Plan.[8]

Gavros 1:47 Mon Oct 15
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let NI go, then let scotland go, then let wales go, and fuck it give up cornwall while were at it.

Brexit dividend!

BRANDED 1:45 Mon Oct 15
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Northern Ireland voted remain. Let the reunite with Ireland, stay inntbe EU and job done?

Gavros 1:41 Mon Oct 15
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"The trouble with a Customs union is that we wouldn't be free to negotiate our own trade deals with non EU countries and would have impose the same tariff as the EU does"

there arent any significant and realistic trade deals to be done. Not with the US and not with China. That's the naked truth of it.

Gavros 1:39 Mon Oct 15
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"Post Brexit will be time to clean up the sums that Labour caused by mass immigration and get rid of the hundreds of thousands of non English speaking British hating benefit frauds.

It's going to be brilliant."

How do you propose to get rid of them? there must be some sort of solution?

New Jersey 1:38 Mon Oct 15
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They could lose out massively along with the German motor car industry, French/Italian wine producers etc, etc. Fuck knows why they can't negotiate a free trade deal as is the case now?


The trouble with a Customs union is that we wouldn't be free to negotiate our own trade deals with non EU countries and would have impose the same tariff as the EU does.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:38 Mon Oct 15
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Being bombed to fuck by Bomber Command (and the USAAF) got West Germany a brand new industrial base paid for by Marshall Aid. Meanwhile, the UK went bust.

Gavros 1:34 Mon Oct 15
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Brexit is a positive like being bombed to fuck by bomber command was a positive for Germany...

fuck me.

dealcanvey 1:29 Mon Oct 15
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I was looking at the European import and export stats. All I can say is have a look at the figures. We import twice as much from Germany (our biggest trade partners) as we export to them. Same goes to likes of France and Holland. Even Belgium, a small nation in terms of scale. We import 3 times as much from them as we export to them! Some crazy figures.

When push comes to shove these nations will want us to stay in the Customs Union. It will be just as beneficial to them and they know this more than anyone.

New Jersey 12:54 Mon Oct 15
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The world wouldn't end with a 'no deal', we could negotiate our own trade deals without being in a CU, we would continue with no border controls on the Irish border or anywhere else for that matter, we wouldn't have to pay the EU a ridiculous divorce bill, we would set our own immigration policy and be governed by our own courts.

I've heard it all before with the ERM withdrawal, John Major said the UK economy would flounder
etc, but we had a decade of economic growth, which ironically Tony Blair benefited from!

BRANDED 12:03 Mon Oct 15
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Well. It would depend on what they spend it on.

Increased wages either means reduced profits, increased prices , greater effeciencies or less people.

Mike Oxsaw 11:29 Mon Oct 15
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How can the local prols having more in their pocket, and therefore more to spend be good for the economy???

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