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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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HairyHammer 3:33 Thu Jan 17
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I have a feeling Corbyn will enter talks soon enough, rather than sit and wait and the charade will carry on .

ironsofcanada 3:27 Thu Jan 17
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Agreed with a lot of what Gove said.

I was not a fan of Gove using "fascism" for ISIS and others.

That term is already abused on the left, and there are more accurate pejorative words he that he could have used.

HairyHammer 3:27 Thu Jan 17
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The truth lies within Mays brain what is she trying to do?, none of us can be 100% certain on what she is thinking or where she wants to go or not go, she had a deal but no one liked it so is she thinking I am going to try to get another deal?, or is she thinking I will be a right wing super legend if I can leave with a no deal?, or is she thinking I will run this down and then offer the people a referendum?.

Actually the sad truth is that it is not even in her hands she does not have a scooby and I saw that last night when she stepped out and made that rather useless statement, Brexit is sort of in the hands of the Gods, though it looks more likely that no deal is dead.

Coffee 3:21 Thu Jan 17
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Any Old Iron 2:49 Thu Jan 17

I was disgusted by Gove's behaviour when Cameron resigned and have pretty much blanked him on news coverage since. But that was an excellent speech. As you say, a masterclass in political oratory.

HairyHammer 3:18 Thu Jan 17
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Comma

There is not a leader on this planet that could make everyone happy when it comes to Brexit.
May has an impossible task, this whole thing is a bit like having six managers controlling one football team two of them pick their personal favourites who kiss arse best, the other two pick the best players for the job and the final two play a mix of the best and their favourite players, now how could you make a team work well with that mix ?.

ironsofcanada 3:15 Thu Jan 17
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, 3:09 Thu Jan 17

I agree with that.

For good or bad, that is defaulting toward no deal Brexit right now. Is that "spectre" enough to get people to make a deal outside the leadership structure, I don't know.

Mike Oxsaw 3:11 Thu Jan 17
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zebthecat 1:27 Thu Jan 17

I did a short stint at a company in Scotland that made ATMs - cash machines - for use around the world.

They were in the final phases of moving all production to Poland - with an EU grant covering the costs. Not ALL lies, it seems.

While I was there, they had begun the process of trying to move it back again to Scotland on account of not one of the ATMs produced in Poland was fit for use and therefore a cost, not a profit for the company.

They were doubly fucked because all the decent staff they had in Scotland had found new employment and none were too inclined to go back to such a volatile environment.

HairyHammer 3:10 Thu Jan 17
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Canada

She is very stubborn your right, and In my view she is trying to take this thing to the wire and see who blinks first, I actually don't dislike her I just do not see why she ever took the job on to do this, I think some Brexiters will say they bloody know why, and their conspiracy theories will flow " She took the job to destroy Brexit ", even though the Brexit that was promised by the Conservative rabid right could never ever in a million years be achieved.

, 3:09 Thu Jan 17
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As commentators were pointing out last night the sort of qualities needed to sweet talk your own MPs, let alone those of other parties, are lacking in May. It really looks like the task is beyond her.

Sadly wherever you look on the political spectrum, in the UK, there is a dearth of individuals who can genuinely appeal to the electorate beyond their own political parties. And that sort of person is needed right now because the government and opposition leaders cannot command loyalty from many within their own parties.

ironsofcanada 3:01 Thu Jan 17
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, 2:57 Thu Jan 17

Technically she could make a deal with opposition without having full support of her MPs.

The joys of a minority government.

mashed in maryland 2:59 Thu Jan 17
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Kaiser Zoso 2:53 Thu Jan 17

"Brexit In Nodeal Only"

, 2:57 Thu Jan 17
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Let's cut through the cross party consensus statements and consider this. May needs another deal that will convince her MPs. It really is as simple as that because look what happened when there was a confidence vote, lo and behold, as expected, she won the day.

So forget about Corbyn and his tactics or lack of and instead talk about May convincing her own party to support a deal before she needs to reach across the House.

ironsofcanada 2:56 Thu Jan 17
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HairyHammer 2:49 Thu Jan 17

"hım sayıng take away No Brexıt ın my vıew wıll awaken her to realıty"

Maybe, though in everything I have heard about her from informed sources always includes how stubborn she is.

Kaiser Zoso 2:53 Thu Jan 17
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Whatever happens to Brexit, once the outcome is decided, Gavros will say I told you so.

HairyHammer 2:53 Thu Jan 17
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Haıryhammer 2.49

No deal not No Brexıt, I am gettıng a bıt old for thıs shıt.

HairyHammer 2:51 Thu Jan 17
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Any Old Iron

Yea that great speech by Gove probably made Corbyn come to hıs conclusıon on the No Brexıt ıssue a lot quıcker than he mıght have.

HairyHammer 2:49 Thu Jan 17
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Bogey man !

Any Old Iron 2:49 Thu Jan 17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

For those of you haven't seen it, here is Goves trashing of the piss stained Marxist aka leader of the opposition.
Even some of us on the right aren't big fans of Gove, but this is a masterclass.

HairyHammer 2:49 Thu Jan 17
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Canada

Your rıght but ın my vıew goıng ınto meetıngs and talkıng for a few weeks about thıngs you have absolutely no ınterest ın and wıll fınd ımpossıble to accept was only goıng to prolong the Theresa May Brexıt faılure story whıch wıth respect has gone on far too bloody long anyway, hım sayıng take away No Brexıt ın my vıew wıll awaken her to realıty although I accept he has taken the pressure off of the Prıme Mınıster and made hımself look lıke the boogey man to Brexıters.

ironsofcanada 2:41 Thu Jan 17
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HairyHammer 2:35 Thu Jan 17

I am not sure he has said where he stands.

He made a political manoeuvre and in doing so kind of said where he didn't stand.

I agree he had to do something, but this one puts him squarely up against the ticking clock.

HairyHammer 2:35 Thu Jan 17
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Corbyn had to fuckıng say somethıng and I am happy he dıd ıt sooner rather than later, why pussy foot around the subject, we have two months left he has acted ın hıs own ınterest tıll yesterday where he woke up and realızed that he dıd not have a choıce he had to take a stance one way or another and thankfully he has, everyone should know where everyone else stands..

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