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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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BRANDED 4:51 Fri Oct 19
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Facebook hires former deputy PM Sir Nick Clegg

Facebook has hired former deputy prime minister Sir Nick Clegg as head of its global affairs and communications team.
The 51-year-old politician was leader of the Liberal Democrats and formed a coalition government with David Cameron and the Conservatives in 2010.
Facebook has faced intense scrutiny and the threat of government regulation following the Cambridge Analytica data scandal and alleged election meddling.
Several prominent executives have left the company in the last year.
Sir Nick's new job title will be vice-president of global affairs and communications at Facebook.
He will start work on Monday and will spend a week at the company's Menlo Park headquarters, before moving to California permanently in the new year.

BRANDED 4:45 Fri Oct 19
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Governments are pretty fucking hopeless at administering this kind of thing. They love it with no work to do. They can get on with buggering each other and going to Climate Change parties on the other side of the World.

New Jersey 4:43 Fri Oct 19
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Gavros - I would make it at least three years, 90 days isn't long enough.

I would, however,do what the Aussies do, if you went back and hadn't made any claims, you could have your tax back or something similar!

mashed in maryland 4:29 Fri Oct 19
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"We need both skilled and semi-skilled labour"


Maybe in 2018 this is an archaic and somewhat racist idea but how about we fucking train people then? We used to export skilled labour.

Mike Oxsaw 4:29 Fri Oct 19
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Is there any practical reason why the criteria applied to non-EU footballers applying to play for a team in the UK cannot be adopted and expanded to encompass all workplace disciplines?

What is the reason for those restrictions (on footballers) in the first place?

Gavros 4:26 Fri Oct 19
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New Jersey

What if the rule was you are given a 90 day visa with no ability to claim benefits and are required to have your own medical cover. If you get a job and start paying taxes within that 90 day period, you can continue to work and eventually claim benefits like anyone else. If not you are sent home.

New Jersey 4:14 Fri Oct 19
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I certainly wouldn't let the government (either Labour or Tory) decide skills etc. It would take them ages to come to an incorrect decision!

We need both skilled and semi-skilled labour but I would have something along the lines that you apply for a work-permit (probably a year in the first instance), been offered a job and are not entitled to benefits, NHS treatment etc for a pre-determined length of time.

Cony Tottee 3:38 Fri Oct 19
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I'd imagine most people who voted leave would like to see an immigration system based on what skills/talent you're bringing to the country rather than a policy based on the country of your birth.

A system that allows you to make it easier or harder for people to come here based on the country's requirements at any particular time.

New Jersey 3:33 Fri Oct 19
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Don Ravioli 1:15 Fri Oct 19

Also agree with that, we are getting in a mess about a fucking border but it's not what is vital to a lot of Brexit voters.

BRANDED 3:32 Fri Oct 19
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Are you happy with any amount of migration? How much and for what jobs?
Who do you want controlling the migration?

Russ of the BML 3:25 Fri Oct 19
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Don Ravioli 1:15 Fri Oct 19

Pretty much well summed up.

But its those people that are called racists by Remainers.

And generally Remainers that have not experienced this type of issue.

Russ of the BML 3:22 Fri Oct 19
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BRANDED 12:28 Fri Oct 19

"I think what people want and dont want is very complex"

Probably the truest comment re: Brexit I have read.

Gavros 3:20 Fri Oct 19
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There is because there is an actual border.

Anyway, Moldova is partially in the single market

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union–Moldova_Deep_and_Comprehensive_Free_Trade_Area

As for the isle of man and Guernsey and jersey, they are all in the CU and goods single market. This is essentially the idea behind Chequers.

goose 2:26 Fri Oct 19
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the border between Romania and Moldova has moved many times, there is still a region which crosses the border both ways called Moldovia. Romanian is spoken both sides of the borders.
couple of my suppliers move goods seamlessly across that border and into the EU.

it deffo isn't a hard border - i've been across it.

Mike Oxsaw 2:25 Fri Oct 19
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Branded. It IS an EU thing, but not exclusively so.

Just because you can't solve every aspect of a particular problem doesn't mean you should avoid trying to solve any aspect of that problem.

The UK, which has a parliament consisting of MPs elected to serve it's requirements, has decided, rightly or wrongly, that an acceptable solution to (part of) the problem us to leave the EU.

That's the UK as a whole - not a select and privileged group of commercial entities that operate within the UK and somehow think that their desires carry more weight than anybody else's.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:21 Fri Oct 19
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Hammer and Pickle 2:11 Fri Oct 19

You demonstrate that you know nothing of banking whatsoever. Most banks would rather self-immolate than move their money in the direction of business. That's why your revered ECB has to set negative real interest rates to force them to.

Mike Oxsaw 2:18 Fri Oct 19
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Banks make good use of tools like Excel to help them manage their business.

WHO makes use of tools like pickled to help pass the time.

BRANDED 2:15 Fri Oct 19
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Big business is not isolated from our lives. They employ. We have them in our investments. They occasionally pay fucking tax.
Our big businesses employing cheap labour is something that seems to have been encouraged but is not really an EU thing. They'll continue to do it either in this country or others as serf pointed out.

Hammer and Pickle 2:11 Fri Oct 19
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The only way banks actually make money is to move it on their Excel spreadsheets in the direction of businesses that create real value in the economy in the form of things and services that meet real human needs.

This allows banks to employ lots of crayon-munchers like Zero who’s neurotic reactions we can always count on when they get schooled on the real economy.

This is also why it is so important to promote conditions of stability afforded by organisations like the EU even though it forces banks to lend their money at rates that suit businesses as the producers of real value and well-paid jobs.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:07 Fri Oct 19
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Where's the hard border between the UK and the Isle of Man, Gav?

Gavros 2:04 Fri Oct 19
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of course there's a border.

the more interestingh border is between moldova and Transnistria

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