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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 10:20 Fri Apr 27
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Will it be a blockbuster like “The Paraplegics’ Guide to Synchronised Swimming”?

BRANDED 9:53 Fri Apr 27
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I recommend it. Its very critical of the Germans. One for Brexitters. Not one for neo liberals or monetarists.

Hammer and Pickle 9:48 Fri Apr 27
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Bore off Flatty

Nurse Ratched 9:23 Fri Apr 27
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No, and you haven't either.

Willtell 9:23 Fri Apr 27
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Someone respond to the sick pervert that is BRAiNDEaD...

BRANDED 8:51 Fri Apr 27
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Anyone read Austerity?
Interesting read regarding the Krauts and the EU.

Coffee 8:47 Fri Apr 27
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Hammer and Pickle 8:45 Fri Apr 27
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Not my combination but one made by the people who claim the Home Office is staffed by communists, Coffee.

And you’ve been a bit flat white of late yourself.

Coffee 8:21 Fri Apr 27
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#Bot_Command=Combine:global+bourgeois+liberal+conspiracy_in_a_really_dumb_way
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Hammer and Pickle 8:05 Fri Apr 27
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I see.

People will be the global communist bourgeois liberal conspiracy.

Nasty people are people. Can't trust people.

Coffee 7:34 Fri Apr 27
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CBI?

riosleftsock 7:23 Fri Apr 27
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*CBI

riosleftsock 7:23 Fri Apr 27
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*CBI

riosleftsock 7:23 Fri Apr 27
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Correction

The EU-funded CB!

DocMarten 12:21 Fri Apr 27
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“Who are these people?“

Businesses like JCB, Dyson and Whetherspoons.

Incidentally, JCB left the CBI as it became a mouth piece for about half a dozen or so large corporates, whilst ignoring the opinion of the majority of its members.

ANOTHER institution being governed by a minority over the voice(that on some matters may agree) of the majority...

Willtell 11:14 Thu Apr 26
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Give it a rest you three cunts that keep regurgitating this whole thread in some forlorn hope that your dreams of having an EU bureaucracy to tuck you in at night will always be there for you.

BRAiNDEaD, Gavros and Hammered & Pickled are the biggest reasons to leave the EU just to annoy the cunts...

BRANDED 10:38 Thu Apr 26
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Anyone read
Austerity the history of a bad idea?

Hammer and Pickle 9:08 Thu Apr 26
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In the early months after the Leave vote, people across the world were asking, “what are you crazy Britons doing leaving the EU?” Yet in the last months, as Article 50 progress is slowly made, global businesses are saying, “Brexit looks interesting”.

Who are these people? The article supplied has left us in the dark, crying out for illumination.

Gavros 9:08 Thu Apr 26
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"But without resolving our direction of travel, business investment may dry up"

its already dried up.

Hammer and Pickle 9:03 Thu Apr 26
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I thought the EU was a global conspiracy to destroy and asset strip countries like Greece and Spain. Are they riding on ECB policy coat tails now as well?

DocMarten 9:00 Thu Apr 26
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(Telegraph) -- As an enthusiastic, but defeated, Remain campaigner, I have first-hand experience of the Kubler-Ross model of the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression. Yet it is without a shadow of a doubt that my time as a trade minister has led me to complete the fifth stage – acceptance – far quicker than many of my colleagues from the Remain campaign.

In the early months after the Leave vote, people across the world were asking, “what are you crazy Britons doing leaving the EU?” Yet in the last months, as Article 50 progress is slowly made, global businesses are saying, “Brexit looks interesting”.

Economic predictions look to extrapolate a relatively simplistic mathematical model. They ask if the trade weighted tariff we must pay to have access to the EU markets in the event of a granite hard Brexit (of around 3pc) can be mitigated by securing a similar, or better, concession from trade deals outside the EU . Ultimately, it can, but at what cost to the UK economy over the intervening period? Under these models, it is inevitable that the cost is foregone economic growth. And from that comes the inevitable argument that to mitigate these costs, we must stay in the customs union, guaranteeing tariff and friction-free access to our biggest trading partners.

But in tightening the arguments to the EU relationship, we fail to understand why the world is so curious of the opportunity presented by Brexit.

Many global businesses have located in the UK to secure access to the EU single market. But for a newly global Britain, they see that locating in the UK will secure access to other markets across the globe.

US businesses have suggested to me that if the UK secures a better trade deal with , for example, India than one secured by the US, they will invest in Britain to take advantage of that opportunity. When Britain does its trade deals across the globe, we are creating a network of opportunity that secures the UK at the heart of this opportunity web.

Indeed, we can go further. Trade deals tend to tackle goods before services. Our economy flourishes on our wide service industry and it is a great, significant export. The EU single market in services is alarmingly shallow, given where we had hoped we should be by now. It is important – vital – that we secure access for our whole economy, including services, to the EU post-implementation, but it is not the whole opportunity for our service industries. Britain leading the way in 21st century trade deals can pioneer services as part of those deals.

Securing recognition of our regulations, our professional qualifications and our expertise will open up new markets for British service industries.

But none of this can happen if we stay within the, or a, customs union with the EU . There can be no global opportunity. There can be no network of trade deals, attracting more businesses to the UK for a fresh set of opportunities. There can be no global British leadership for free trade and all the good that brings.

Of course, this is not without risk. We Remainers argued the perils of coming out of the EU – including leaving the customs union – during the referendum. Our campaign, or “Project Fear” as it became known, highlighted the concerns we had and we made a strong case for staying in. But the electorate looked at the arguments, considered what we had said, made an informed decision, and decided to go for Brexit.

Business, markets and economies hate uncertainty. The vote to leave created uncertainty about our relationship with the EU, yet Nissan, Toyota and BMW have committed further investment into the UK since the vote. They did it because the risks were quantifiable. However, where there was uncertainty about our relationship with the EU, the current round of parliamentary voting to keep us in a customs union creates more questions about our global future, not less. Not only do we have the uncertainty of securing a deal with the EU, but we don’t know if we will be able to secure a deal with the rest of the world. If we end up with a Norway model, identical to our current EU membership but with no influence whatsoever, we will be far worse off.

I know that my Remain colleagues have the best interests of the country at heart and I respect them for their views. But without resolving our direction of travel, business investment may dry up. And without respecting the outcome of the referendum, in its simplest form, democracy will be lost.

All of us are at different stages of the Kubler-Ross model. But if there is a sixth stage, it is enthusiasm: enthusiasm to embrace the change. Our Victorian forefathers went out to conquer the world with a Bible in one hand and a service revolver in the other. Tomorrow we shall take on the world armed with nothing more sinister than a briefcase complete with a trade deal and marketing pack. We must embrace change, not fight it.

Mark Garnier is the former international trade minister

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