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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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BRANDED 12:57 Wed Jan 16
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Almost three years in on this thread. And yet no one cunt has ghe slightest idea what might happen tomorrow.

threesixty 12:53 Wed Jan 16
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Dagenhammer 12:26 Wed Jan 16

I like this post. Makes sense.

And your 1st line about putting party before country is exactly what this whole thing is about. A party leader using a referendum on an incredibly complicated issue to get more control over his party. And in the process destroys the whole fucking country.

And a new leader, so desperate to keep her job in that same party, willing to say and do anything to survive.

Why cant people see how dysfunctional and downright dangerous this current Tory party is?

HairyHammer 12:51 Wed Jan 16
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Dagenhamhammer 12.26

Well said !. The Referendum should never have happened 50 or so Conservative MP's controlled their party and forced it on their leader, although Cameron was an arse to accept it.
There has to be a final vote on this issue it was far far too complex to leave to the people, in two and a half years we have found that out those who say otherwise are lying or have much to gain or are as thick as a fucking brick.

Northern Sold 12:49 Wed Jan 16
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`they will have cart blanche to raise taxes to pay for Brexit and be able to blame the British public as they voted for it`.


That will be just the IT Contractor fee's to get it through... absolutely astounding amount of Bunce' being budgeted for that...

zebthecat 12:48 Wed Jan 16
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Bit harsh on Steve Baker there.
He has a whopping 21 MPs supporting his proposal.

ChillTheKeel 12:47 Wed Jan 16
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Coffee 12:28

Yet you cant work out why there is anger directed at May?

Odd bloke.

HairyHammer 12:44 Wed Jan 16
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https://youtu.be/UYonSZ8s3_o

ironsofcanada 12:42 Wed Jan 16
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Dagenhammer 12:26 Wed Jan 16

"As soon as the result was in she should have declared that as in the case of the Brexit campaign it was not a party issue, she should have reached out across the political divide and sought the support of the opposition, Labour, SNP, etc and formed a cross party coalition to deliver Brexit"

A great principle and I agree she needed to do better, but some of those forces didn't want Brexit. Why would they work with her?
There were still Remain forces working actively, they did not give up when the result declared or ratified in Parliament.

The process of politicking did not end, so that is a bit one sided.

Gavros 12:36 Wed Jan 16
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Two proposals actually, both of which were dead even before they got to concrete negotiation. One of them being the FCA which that cunt Baker is floating again today.

Gavros 12:36 Wed Jan 16
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Two proposals actually, both of which were dead even before they got to concrete negotiation. One of them being the FCA which that cunt Baker is floating again today.

Coffee 12:36 Wed Jan 16
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Hammer and Pickle 12:29 Wed Jan 16

You're a good fellow, but you don't half come out with some almighty bullshit.

Hammer and Pickle 12:32 Wed Jan 16
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What was that proposal, Zero?

Toe Rag 12:31 Wed Jan 16
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I don't know what will happen next, but do believe that when the next government takes power, they will have cart blanche to raise taxes to pay for Brexit and be able to blame the British public as they voted for it.

Not sure anyone’s likely to get elected on that ticket!

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:31 Wed Jan 16
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Erm. The UK has made a proposal on NI. The EU told us to fuck off. It's one of their red lines.

Toe Rag 12:29 Wed Jan 16
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Could it possibly be that when the honourable members of the Houses of Parliament voted The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 through with a large majority that they hadn’t read that which they were about to vote in favour of, or simply had not the first idea of what any of it meant?

Hammer and Pickle 12:29 Wed Jan 16
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Coffee 11:56 Wed Jan 16

You don’t understand why people are more angry at May than they are at the EU?

Well I’d say people understand far more than you about the source and cause of the mess the country is in especially as she has promised something she can’t deliver. The EU is a known quantity and all it has done is asked the UK to present its requirements for leave, especially as regards the NI border.

Coffee 12:28 Wed Jan 16
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"she should have reached out across the political divide and sought the support of the opposition, Labour, SNP, etc and formed a cross party coalition to deliver Brexit"

Exactly!

Dagenhammer 12:26 Wed Jan 16
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The blame for this mess lies on the shoulders of Cameron and May, both of them have put the interests of their party before that of the country. Referendums are fine and in some ways good for straightforward issues like abortion and gay marriage in Ireland. Those two issues are compared with Brexit relatively straightforward and only affect the people of that country. Brexit is far too complex for a simple 'yes/no' 'leave/stay' vote, especially given the influence the media has.

During the original campaign the topic was deemed a non-party issue, so MP's from all parties campaigned based on their beliefs/interests and we ended up with a 52/48 result, a split nation.

May tried when calling the election to get a majority that meant she was not at the mercy of the extremes in her party. She failed to do that and as a result was at the mercy of the ERG and the DUP, hence the mess we are in now.

As soon as the result was in she should have declared that as in the case of the Brexit campaign it was not a party issue, she should have reached out across the political divide and sought the support of the opposition, Labour, SNP, etc and formed a cross party coalition to deliver Brexit. If the opposition parties had not participated in that, she would have to have tried it her way and then gone back to the country. The electorate would have then taken out their wrath on the opposition parties, the tories would have won a larger majority and she might have succeeded. As it is now the public will be more angry with the tories and they will be the biggest loser.

I don't know what will happen next, but do believe that when the next government takes power, they will have cart blanche to raise taxes to pay for Brexit and be able to blame the British public as they voted for it.

Dagenhammer 12:26 Wed Jan 16
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The blame for this mess lies on the shoulders of Cameron and May, both of them have put the interests of their party before that of the country. Referendums are fine and in some ways good for straightforward issues like abortion and gay marriage in Ireland. Those two issues are compared with Brexit relatively straightforward and only affect the people of that country. Brexit is far too complex for a simple 'yes/no' 'leave/stay' vote, especially given the influence the media has.

During the original campaign the topic was deemed a non-party issue, so MP's from all parties campaigned based on their beliefs/interests and we ended up with a 52/48 result, a split nation.

May tried when calling the election to get a majority that meant she was not at the mercy of the extremes in her party. She failed to do that and as a result was at the mercy of the ERG and the DUP, hence the mess we are in now.

As soon as the result was in she should have declared that as in the case of the Brexit campaign it was not a party issue, she should have reached out across the political divide and sought the support of the opposition, Labour, SNP, etc and formed a cross party coalition to deliver Brexit. If the opposition parties had not participated in that, she would have to have tried it her way and then gone back to the country. The electorate would have then taken out their wrath on the opposition parties, the tories would have won a larger majority and she might have succeeded. As it is now the public will be more angry with the tories and they will be the biggest loser.

I don't know what will happen next, but do believe that when the next government takes power, they will have cart blanche to raise taxes to pay for Brexit and be able to blame the British public as they voted for it.

ironsofcanada 12:22 Wed Jan 16
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ray winstone 12:19 Wed Jan 16

How did you find that video ray?

That title.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:22 Wed Jan 16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjUESuwqes

Ray in drag

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