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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Britannia Pub 11:16 Thu Dec 13
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You are so on edge you are reading stuff and interpreting it incorrectly.

Both parties included the pledge in their manifestos to respect the referendum result. That doesn’t mean that they or I want no deal but it also means that both parties would not honour their manifesto if they decided not to leave the EU.

FWIW I would like to see a deal that works for both the UK and the EU. It just seems that both the EU and UK have put themselves in a position where a compromise cannot be found.

New Jersey 11:15 Thu Dec 13
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TM - Not a big fan of Mutti then?

Hammer and Pickle 11:12 Thu Dec 13
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"If the will of the majority is denied in this instance it can, and likely will, happen again in the future."

In other words, support Brexit or that's democracy down the drain, which is pure trolling.

Willtell 11:09 Thu Dec 13
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Pissed again!!!!

Hammer and Pickle 11:06 Thu Dec 13
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"There is a reason why both major parties both fought the last GE on a respect the referendum platform. They knew that they could not possibly win without that pledge in their manifesto."

Classic troll framing to turn no-deal Brexit into a political fact. And it is a lie that such a pledge would actually deliver the result desired by the troll.

Britannia Pub 11:04 Thu Dec 13
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And there you go. A sensible debate was being had and you don’t like something so call me a troll rather than try to compose a civilised response to make your point.

Well done.

Takashi Miike 10:59 Thu Dec 13
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Merkel looks more and more like Churchill the Dog. one ugly fucking, power crazed cunt

Hammer and Pickle 10:58 Thu Dec 13
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Absolute nonsense.

No GE or any other election will be overturned if the result of the Brexit referendum does not deliver.

You are a troll.

Britannia Pub 10:54 Thu Dec 13
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Unfortunately it has turned into far more than a question of leaving the EU. It has morphed, through government incompetence, into a question about how the UK is governed. If the will of the majority is denied in this instance it can, and likely will, happen again in the future.

There is a reason why both major parties both fought the last GE on a respect the referendum platform. They knew that they could not possibly win without that pledge in their manifesto.

Hammer and Pickle 10:46 Thu Dec 13
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Pub

It's not about like or not like.

It is about preventing a tragedy that it may be in our power to prevent.

And there is no harm in trying because neither May's deal or no-deal are anything but a tragedy, whatever the EU may be.

Britannia Pub 10:40 Thu Dec 13
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Said government can, and probably will, be held accountable at the next GE.

Joe Public couldn’t stop Blair going to war on the basis of lies but they held the party he led to account at the next GE. They also couldn’t stop Thatcher implementing the Poll Tax.

Both of the above led to demonstrations with more people than have been out on the street for either side of Brexit.

I get that you don’t like it. Lots of people don’t. However, if the referendum result is not acted upon it opens up the possibility of a government ignoring any future referenda even if it had the result YOU wanted. It’s a very dangerous strategy in my opinion.

Hammer and Pickle 10:31 Thu Dec 13
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Pub

So how does that work with a government that has pinned its legitimacy on a referendum vote while clearly being unable to deliver the desired result?

Nutsin 10:26 Thu Dec 13
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Wrong Pickle, people have the right to vote however they wish, even if they do get it wrong.

Who's to say which Gov't is legitimate and accountable anyway, you? you fucking halfwit.

Britannia Pub 10:25 Thu Dec 13
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You can take it however you like it.

Governments are held accountable at general elections in this country assuming they have a workable majority. They can be held accountable by parliament if they don’t have a majority via a no confidence motion.

That’s the rules that apply today the same as they have for hundreds of years. It seems to have worked so far.

Hammer and Pickle 10:21 Thu Dec 13
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Pub

It's only a silly question if the point of democracy is to win elections rather than deliver government that is legitimate and accountable.

I take it you are not interested in legitimate and accountable government and what you want is to be part of the "will of the people".

Willtell 10:18 Thu Dec 13
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You sure you're English Pickled? We've had democracy and a free press that doesn't get easily fooled so long we take freedom for granted.

Unlike Poland which has been used like a football match between Russia and Germany over the years...

Britannia Pub 10:15 Thu Dec 13
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Silly question. What would happen if they had done a great job and lost the next election because of spin?

Would it be democratic to kick the winners of the election out of power?

New Jersey 10:12 Thu Dec 13
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H&P - That shouldn't happen Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson have retired from that sort of thing, apart from their support for remain.

Hammer and Pickle 10:00 Thu Dec 13
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So the people that are fucking up the country can carry on as they please until the next general election?

And that is democratic?

What if they win the next election thanks to spin and political marketing?

Willtell 9:49 Thu Dec 13
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Pickled 9:36

When the next election comes around you idiot.

New Jersey 9:46 Thu Dec 13
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H&P - The following general election, surely?

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