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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 7:29 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
FOMENTING UNREST

arsegrapes 1:56 Fri Feb 23
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That's why the majority voted out, the EU have been found out, most have had more than they can stomach. Democracy will prevail. The likes of H&P can stink the place out all they want, it will happen because if the little people are denied there would be Anarchy on a scale never seen before on these shores.

Gavros 1:44 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
kicking shit into the long grass is what the EU is good at. at every stage of treaty they've seen this sort if stuff and they've overcome. I remember being in Frankfurt and Brussels when the constitution was being done. got voted sown and they got around it with Lisbon. people tend to have a limited amount of patience with this sort of thing. eventually exhaustion kicks and and it gets done by another route. this feels just like that.

arsegrapes 1:41 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Brinkmanship, it's what we're good at.

Gavros 1:29 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
H&P has a point. hence why Parliament has hard wired the meaningful vote into the withdrawal bill and why the Lords are all over it. this is all happening right now by the way.

arsegrapes 1:26 Fri Feb 23
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And you have the temerity to call me a nutter? You're completely deluded, please seek help for your own sanity.

Hammer and Pickle 1:08 Fri Feb 23
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Nope.

Representative democracy is about elections to legitimise specific government, not to give blank cheques with no accountability.

arsegrapes 1:05 Fri Feb 23
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Poppycock, it doesn't work like that, you must be referring to the Polacks democracy, its a little bit different in Blighty.

Hammer and Pickle 12:57 Fri Feb 23
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In a functional democracy, elections are about legitimising a programme for government. They are not about about getting a vote to give a government dictatorial power to do something undefined.

In this sense at least, this whole Brexit mess is unconstitutional if the UK is indeed a representative democracy rather than an elected dictatorship.

arsegrapes 12:54 Fri Feb 23
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Hammer and Pickle 12:48 Fri Feb 23

Post there names up Pickle and I'll hang, draw and quarter em!

Gavros 12:53 Fri Feb 23
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well indeed. I accept that we are likely to leave the EU in some sort of form but things change over time. I'm afraid for all of you Brexiters to say that economics, geography and demographics mean that our (or rather our nations future) is in the EU whether you like it or not.

, 12:49 Fri Feb 23
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People need to think carefully about democracy and voting.

When a vote is taken it is a snapshot of opinion during the period the polling stations are open. Nothing more and nothing less.

At the end of March 2019 when we begin to leave the EU it will be nearly three years after the June 2016 referendum. During the interim period the electorate will have changed and some voters might have a different opinion to nearly three years ago. Thus no politician or psephologist can say with full conviction what the will of the electorate is regarding leaving or remaining as a member EU state.

For how long does a vote hold as a reasonable guage of the will of the people? Why for example did Theresa May call an election two years after Cameron did and if two years is sufficient to believe electoral opinion changes how come it will be nearly three years after the referendum and yet there will not be a fresh vote to confirm the opinion of the electorate.

arsegrapes 12:49 Fri Feb 23
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Wiki is your friend

Hammer and Pickle 12:48 Fri Feb 23
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You’re nuts, arsegrapes.

Off your rocker, you are - and everyone knows it.

arsegrapes 12:45 Fri Feb 23
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Btw the ship has not sailed, the Good Ship BREXIT is about to embark, I suggest all you folks get on board before you are fed to the EU sharks.

Hammer and Pickle 12:39 Fri Feb 23
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Why’s that, arsegrapes?

arsegrapes 12:38 Fri Feb 23
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Daniel Kawczynski has it right and more Polish than the fake Pole Pickle the Pillock will ever be.

Gavros 12:31 Fri Feb 23
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trying to leave the EU on a yes/no basis is like trying to fix a nuclear power station meltdown with a hammer. it doesn't work like that.

Mike Oxsaw 12:27 Fri Feb 23
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The referendum was a clear binary choice: in or out. Nothing to do with how much in, or how much out. It was a one pixel option. On or off. Dead or alive, not how dead, or how alive. One or, not both, or some of each.

The choice was out, for whatever reason (and I seriously doubt that everybody had the same, single reason for voting the way they did; others seem to struggle with that possibility, though).

SECONDARY to that is how the result has been managed (sic).

Without doubt that has been a clusterfuck, not helped by people who don't understand how a democracy works (here's a clue: it's NOT all about voting & re-voting on a subject until you get the result YOU want), and demanding that THEY have the right somehow to just fucking ignore the votes and wishes of the majority who voted (don't vote - don't count, for either side).

Those that are (still) trying to disrupt the exit process are no more than selfish, personal agenda-holding traitors. They('ve proved they) don't really give a fuck about the country or anybody else in it; just what they can get out of it for themselves.

Gavros 12:24 Fri Feb 23
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but the BOAT has sailed willtell. parliaments final meaningful vote MEANS the Brexit that the ERG want cannot happen.simple as.

mashed in maryland 12:19 Fri Feb 23
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Gavros 12:10 Fri Feb 23

Fair enough.

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