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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Gavros 12:31 Mon Feb 26
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well seeing as any prospective EU nation already within the ECHR framework (including such great places as Transdinitra) that ain't really a thing is it?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:22 Mon Feb 26
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Gavros 10:59 Sun Feb 25

'The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU,'

More lies from Gavros. Membership of the ECHR is a precondition of membership to the EU.

arsegrapes 12:17 Mon Feb 26
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Rapes up 20% in London in one year and the Police don't know why. Now I know want your thinking, well I don't but I'm assuming you know where this is leading?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rapes-in-london-soar-by-20-amid-warning-of-a-rise-in-sex-attacks-in-the-capital-a3774171.html

Hammer and Pickle 11:14 Sun Feb 25
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True dat

Gavros 11:13 Sun Feb 25
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Yeah but the ECHR is to do with the Council of Europe (which includes Ukraine, Russia, etc etc etc). Only Belarus and a couple of tiny states (Kosovo, Armenia and Azerbaijan i think) arent part of the CoE.

Hammer and Pickle 11:08 Sun Feb 25
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EU recognises the ECHR, therefore with respect to the deportation of criminals, you can't really put a fag-paper between the two, can you?

Gavros 10:59 Sun Feb 25
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
the convicted criminals thing is to do with the ECHR. The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU, it is via the Council of Europe.

Gavros 10:57 Sun Feb 25
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Because other EU countries already do this.

The blue passport thing is the perfect example of what were going to get. Things we already could do anyway but will be dressed up as being done because we are leaving. Then a last minute deal to stay in the single market and customs union will be done and people wont much care by that point as they already would have think we have left.

Hammer and Pickle 10:57 Sun Feb 25
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Sending convicted criminals 'back' is another issue between nations masked by the EU mechanism, which is never going to work smoothly while we have a union rather than a single entity. This is especially the case if the criminals are from beyond the EU with the legal conflict expressed at EU vs. source country level.

Johnson 10:46 Sun Feb 25
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We’ve been blocked sending convicted criminals back Gavvy so why do you think any of what you’ve said will actually happen?

Gavros 10:37 Sun Feb 25
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Part of transition will be the EU identity card. This will be introduced first for EU nationals and then rolled out to non EU immigrants and UK nationals. It'll actually do a lot to help the government know where people coming into the UK are and how many people are actually here at any one time, which is something we still have no idea of (the immigration stats are just estimates). Once its got going properly a load of immigrants illegally overstaying here (ie non EU) are going to be found out. It'll also help to put into practice the rule already done elsewhere in the EU where if youre not working after 3 months and cant pay your way (including paying for your own health insurance) then the UK can send them back to where they came from. For many people this will be perfectly acceptable in terms of limitations of movement.

Sussex_IRONS 10:31 Sun Feb 25
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Emergency break is not going to work, when Cameron came back with that idea he was laughed at. The EU have been clear you have to accept freedom of movement there is no cherry picking or special deals you either accept it or leave, those are the UK options.

Hammer and Pickle 10:17 Sun Feb 25
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So, basically, you're FULL OF SHIT.

mashed in maryland 10:15 Sun Feb 25
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Nope

Hammer and Pickle 10:14 Sun Feb 25
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GUTTED mimmler?

Gavros 10:13 Sun Feb 25
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You can already do stuff within the EU to limit free movement as I have explained a number of times. Being out of the EU gives you even more wiggle room while still aligning to the aquis. Of course the 'hostile environment' of Brexit has already had a significant impact on EU immigration. In other words we can achieve breaks on immigration without sending the economy into the shitter.

mashed in maryland 10:10 Sun Feb 25
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Gavros 8:54 Sun Feb 25

Don't think anyone expects that of May any more tbf.

Sussex_IRONS 10:00 Sun Feb 25
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Norway has free movement of people because you have to if you are in the EEA. Most people are not in favour of open borders/free movement so your living in dream world if you think people support that.

We will probably have to accept the customs union because of the problems a border would cause in the island of Ireland but zero chance of remain winning a re-vote in the future.

Mike Oxsaw 9:14 Sun Feb 25
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We may not actually need any sort of physical union. The organisation (CU) simply exists to support a set of processes driven by the inter-relationship between various laws of the constituent states.

These can probably all be easily converted to universal cloud-based algorithms and invoked at the appropriate time in the end-to-end information flow.

Gavros 9:08 Sun Feb 25
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I dont think a second referendum will happen, it takes too long anyway given the primary legislation required.

What we will eventually get to is an understanding that we need the Single Market and Customs Union, and so be outside of the EU but still part of both of those in effect, either in a comprehensive FTA like Switzerland of EFTA/ EEA like Norway. Labour's announcement that it now supports 'a' Customs Union is the first real move toward this eventuality.

It'll take a few years to get to so transition will be delayed a number of years while alignment is sorted. Ten years after that a referendum to go back into the EU will be a resounding success.

Mike Oxsaw 9:03 Sun Feb 25
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The issue of a second referendum as a vote-changer in a general election is just a remainer's pipe-dream. All the major parties will have "a promise" to hold a 2nd referendum in their manifestos.

What will come charging out of the woodpile is if any party stand up and say that they're going to force closure on the whole matter (no deal if that's we're we're at) so that the country can settle down and get on with it's life.

That will sent the vocal minority ballisticly apoplectic with incandescent rage as not only will all the died-in-the-wool leavers flock to vote, all those pissed off with the whole issue will do so too, "just to get it out of the news" - which will trigger another bout of arrogant indignant bile from the losers - for lose (again) they will.

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