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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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DocMarten 1:31 Sun Sep 15
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Willtell...

Don’t forget the blindfold as we go over the cliff edge...

Gavros 1:31 Sun Sep 15
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Actually its now law that nothing will happen on 31st october unless parliament grants it, and parliament wont.

Also hoping that johnson will just ignore the command to get an extension is futile because otherwise the scottish court can and will do it and lock him up for refusing to.

How'd you like them apples?

Mike Oxsaw 1:29 Sun Sep 15
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Has anybody here actually driven over a cliff? What was it like? Did you get the 15 minutes of fame we were all promised?

Pickle Rick 1:23 Sun Sep 15
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H&P,

The irony of you asking for facts!!!

Willtell 12:56 Sun Sep 15
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Actually Mike it's driving off the edge of the cliff while crashing out...

Mike the Hammer 12:51 Sun Sep 15
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Willtell,

It's leave with a deal or go crashing out without one,,,

Hammer and Pickle 12:40 Sun Sep 15
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May I politely ask what facts you have to show the EU is a Titanic (a doomed vessel). Also, who are you expecting to make this distance and how?

Also, if no deal Brexit is your preferred course of action, what exactly do you mean by "short term disruption'?

Willtell 12:36 Sun Sep 15
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Yes it's crazy really because 17.4m people voted leave.

Only 16.1m (iirc) voted remain.

Should have been end of story but a remain parliament, remain civil service and remain MSM have conspired to ignore the basic principle of democracy. Winner takes all.

Thank goodness it will all be over by 31st October when we leave with or without a deal....

GreenStreetPlayer 12:34 Sun Sep 15
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Even leavers agree there may be some short term disruption from exiting, but this will be short lived.
All this talk of bad for this country, we will be okay but my concern is how much entangled we will still be with the EU.
I could see shortly after we leave the wheels will come off the EU and the Financial crisis will be nothing compared to this fall out.
The project was always a bad idea.
We have to distance ourselves as much as we can and as quickly as possible or we will also drown on the EU Titanic.
We need to SOS save our souls.

Pickle Rick 11:43 Sun Sep 15
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You all need to read this article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49648119

Hammer and Pickle 11:27 Sun Sep 15
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How do you turn the EU into toast with a "general tone of protectionism"?

I'm accused of WAFFLE, but doesn't that take the BISCUIT?

DocMarten 11:04 Sun Sep 15
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ECB will hit buffers of limits in a little over a year (broadly) depending upon the monthly program specifics.

Not that it will make any difference whatsoever.

It’s toast. Demographics, fudged policies and a general tone of protectionism will ensure that. The next recession kills it as we know it now. I suspect you will see the currency users, less Italy, break away to a large degree. If it survives at all.

And a Trump has his eyes set on a trade war with them ahead of an election. A weaker Euro will have him shouting currency manipulator, a stronger one will offset the monetary easing and be a blow to a bloc that is export dominated as a whole. Obviously with Germany the primary example.

Willtell 11:02 Sun Sep 15
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Isn't it a little concerning that the citizens of EU nations think that about what was supposed to be a trade organisation...?

DocMarten 10:56 Sun Sep 15
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Yougov poll put together fir the EU on general feel of EU to its citizens makes one important finding...

The survey shows that in every participating country except
France, pluralities think their own government would do better
at representing the national economic interest than the EU; in
France, the most popular answer is that “both” would do best.
This should be a worrying signal for von der Leyen.

The rest of the report showed there is an issue developing over enlargement. The northern states aren’t keen at all. The eastern ones more so.

Militarily, the EU citizens wish it to remain neutral.

Willtell 10:52 Sun Sep 15
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I see that the ECB has started quantitative easing (printing money they don't have) again.

Was it rios that said this couldn't happen any more as they'd reached their limit?

Willtell 10:45 Sun Sep 15
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What? You're planning on being on here for 14 hours Miike? Haven't you anything better to do?

Takashi Miike 10:15 Sun Sep 15
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the missing link has arrived, another 14 hours of waffle commences

Hammer and Pickle 10:06 Sun Sep 15
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"There’s no clash. The parliament sets up the referendum, the people vote, and then the parliament fulfils the referendum outcome."

Probably the most banal and least helpful combination of words possible in this situation. It ought to be blindingly obvious that considerations of state and circumstance limit the totally arbitrary range of possible referenda results. Also, while parliaments exist, the constitutional issue of which is sovereign in terms of law-making always comes down on the side of parliament, so let use have no more drama and gnashing of teeth on this as further discussion is quite unnecessary if, after all, we agree we want to have a parliamentary democracy.

ChillTheKeel 9:35 Sun Sep 15
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Cameron -Johnson backed Leave to 'help career'.

How is saying what everyone already knew about the fraud headline news?

Darby_ 9:32 Sun Sep 15
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It’s pretty normal for countries to have a mix of referenda and parliamentary democracy. This is hardly the first time there has been a referendum in the EU.

There’s no clash. The parliament sets up the referendum, the people vote, and then the parliament fulfils the referendum outcome.

Willtell 9:26 Sun Sep 15
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Cap Mong

You really need to grow up and stop substituting abuse for logic. The referendum was NOT FLAWED. That is a construct of remainers.

The vote was to leave the EU. What is the disgrace is that 650 MPs have shown themselves incapable of running the nation and delivering a credible leave programme.

Possibly because we have a majority remain Parliament, Civil Service and Media running the leave programme...

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