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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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BRANDED 3:02 Wed Nov 20
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It is what it is.
In pure economic terms if your goal is growth in the economy that occurs through a number of different factors but increasing population is one.
It doesn’t help the local population that having kids has been one of the areas that has increased in cost in the last few years.
Importing ready and willing populations won’t stop after Brexit. Not if you want growth or unless our feckless population actually start getting properly educated and we create more high value jobs of course.

I’m 100% up for Brits being paid well for cleaning hospitals or getting high quality tech sector jobs or even getting the means for production.

mashed in maryland 2:56 Wed Nov 20
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Countries of origin*

mashed in maryland 2:51 Wed Nov 20
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Not sure what the "lots of NHS staff (or other people who do certain jobs) are foreign" argument is meant to prove.

Firstly, no one is suggesting we "send them all back" and secondly the UK has some of the best universities and education institutions on the planet, evidenced by the fact the world's elites often send their kids here to be educated. If they choose to leave can train up our own.

And thirdly, should it become more difficult for professionals to move to Britain, that would likely be a benefit to their countries of often, which often face "brain drain".

New Jersey 2:50 Wed Nov 20
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I would say the exceedingly generous sick pay for Nurses, six months full pay after five years service and then six months half pay is a strong reason why so many agency nurses are required. If you chopped it down to two weeks max, or just went to statutory sick pay, the absenteeism rate would improve dramatically.

Mike Oxsaw 2:48 Wed Nov 20
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In general, somebody prepared to leave their country of birth and relocate is more likely to put in that bit of extra effort - whether it be earning or poncing a living.

BRANDED 2:42 Wed Nov 20
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65,000 NHS staff in England are EU nationals - 5.5% of all staff. Overall, 13.1% of NHS staff say that their nationality is not British. Facts and figures on the nationality of NHS staff for doctors, nurses and other groups, and changes since the Brexit vote.

Council Scum 2:40 Wed Nov 20
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Mate of mine owns a nurse agency in Scotland. He makes £600,000 a year supplying nurses to Scottish NHS hospital

78% are from the UK, of the other 12% most of them are "care workers" rather than actual nurses. only 5% are nurses.

Mike Oxsaw 2:38 Wed Nov 20
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It's quite revealing on how selective remainers and supporters of FoM are when it comes to the application of supply & demand controlling wages, but not costs (for themselves).

Johnson 2:38 Wed Nov 20
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Tomshardware 2:04 Wed Nov 20

Only the people in Uxbridge and Hillingdon can vote for Johnson.

BRANDED 2:37 Wed Nov 20
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Mate of mine owns a nurse agency in Scotland. He makes £600,000 a year supplying nurses to Scottish NHS hospitals.

He’s a Scot. Nurses come from all over.

Cony Tottee 2:36 Wed Nov 20
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Maybe if we had millions less immigrants using the NHS we wouldn't need so many staff?

Council Scum 2:35 Wed Nov 20
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"BRANDED 2:28 Wed Nov 20
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CS. How much would a British cleaner get paid after Brexit"

If they aren't being undercut by cheap labour from abroad, more. Don't worry about them finally getting a decent wage though, coz its better to have them not working and calling them lazy and racist instead.

Mike Oxsaw 2:28 Wed Nov 20
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I doubt that many of that 5% are directly employed by the NHS.

That way they/the governmennt can shift all the blame onto the contract companies for paying shit wages.

riosleftsock 2:28 Wed Nov 20
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BRANDED 12:51 Wed Nov 20
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"When the Tories and Labour were working together earlier in the year to find common ground why was that suspended? "

From what I understand the tories kept putting proposals to labour who kept rejecting them and asking for more, but wouldn't say what they did want.

Eventually the tories gave labour a list of negotiating points which the labour team rejected.
The list had been copied from the previous labour position text. The tories gave up then.

BRANDED 2:28 Wed Nov 20
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CS. How much would a British cleaner get paid after Brexit?

BRANDED 2:26 Wed Nov 20
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The Iraq war?

Council Scum 2:26 Wed Nov 20
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" yet our NHS wouldn't function without the many skilled workers from all over the world"

You mean 5%? most of which are low paid cleaning jobs that are keeping wages low and pricing out the locals....

Nice "Brits are racist and lazy" line though.

Mike Oxsaw 2:23 Wed Nov 20
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I suspect those "Clactoners" have already paid more than enough into the treasury through the taxation contracts they had with successive governments during their working lives. Many may have gone through a war to earn such a privilege, too.

Hardly their fault that those same governments have pissed that money up the wall or won't pay a decent wage such that locals take up the (NHS) vacancies as opposed to relying on slave labour from abroad.

BRANDED 2:15 Wed Nov 20
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The work shy Brits expect everything but have no idea where it comes from. That’s the pensioners and the benefits scrounges.

goose 2:15 Wed Nov 20
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nothing quite like making sweeping generalizations about people is there?

Tomshardware 2:12 Wed Nov 20
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Makes me laugh how you've got people in areas such as Clacton who are going to vote Tory because all they care about is Brexit. They are racist Neanderthals, a lot of whom don't work, are a drain on the NHS and other public services.

These people blame everything on immigration yet our NHS wouldn't function without the many skilled workers from all over the world. They also blame immigrants for taking British jobs yet these people are often too lazy to do the jobs that a lot of these immigrants are doing.

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