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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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only1billybonds 8:19 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Comma.

While i agree that some parts of the leave mob in Parliament have behaved selfishly,for you to absolve remainers of any blame for where we are right now is frankly outrageous.

The supreme court
The speaker
Remain mp's

All have been complicit in getting us in this mess.

Can you tell me yhe reason that remain wouldnt accept the result then campaign to re join the day after we left?

New Jersey 7:55 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Comma - 'Ready to rat on the province of NI', I never really had you down as one of those God fearing DUP chaps!

Mike Oxsaw 7:51 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The pissed up Pole only "sees it" in the light of an outcome that would deliver only what he wants and fuck the majority.

Fo the Communist 7:36 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Billy.

There are enough Labour members in leave areas - coupled with the expelled tories - that could have made the numbers up had there been an effort to be collegiate over the past few years. The issue has been not one of conspiracy but of incompetence on my book.

I see your point re the referendum and it is a rational one. But much as I understand your reasons for inevitably disagreeing with the following, I think any referendum - if it was to be seen credible - would have to have a remain option.

stewie griffin 7:36 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
As I said on the other thread, mental.

, 7:34 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The result of the referendum was to leave and if the government of the day had considered country and electorate as first priority the leave would have been done and dusted by now. Maybe not everyone would have been happy with the leaving deal but one could have been negotiated such that it implemented the referendum vote.

Down the line from leaving any party would have been free to include changes to the leave deal in its GE manifesto.

That things have not turned out that way are entirely due to the selfishness of the governing tory party which not only has been steered from the outside by fear of Farage but also from within by the ERG. And what a bunch of turncoats they have turned out to be, along with the Liar Leader, ready to rat on the Province of NI without a hint of conscience.

Hammer and Pickle 7:28 Tue Oct 22
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Way I see it, NJ, it's not about a 2nd referendum either but a GE delivering a Brexit Parliament in the for of a solid majority for any WA or not.

That's the way the system works while we have an elected body in Westminster as the supreme legislature.

That's what real democracy is like in the real world.

only1billybonds 7:26 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Fo.

Ok mate,we'll have to disagree but i am utterly convinced that every tactic used by the remain faction in Parliament has been a means to gett Brexit stopped altogether.

On a 2nd ref do you agree that the remain option has no right being anywhere near the paper. The PM brought a deal back,if the question at the ballot box was leave on the terms of Boris's deal or leave on no deal the i would gladly back a 2nd ref.

New Jersey 7:23 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
A second referendum would be actually pointless because if remain lost (again) they just wouldn't accept the result.

If one thing this whole sorry saga has proved is that referendums are a complete waste of time. The SNP have never accepted the result of the Scottish referendum, as that fat odious prick Blackford, proves every single day on TV.

If the majority of people in the UK want to remain, have a GE and vote LIbDem, it really is as simple as that!

Mike Oxsaw 7:20 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
, 7:15 Tue Oct 22

Exactly. What's been happening for the passed 3 years is nothing more than expectation manipulation.

It matters not one jot WHY people voted leave; all that matters is that more of them did so than voted to stay.

Mike Oxsaw 7:16 Tue Oct 22
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Fo - almost. I'm advocating a break, clean or otherwise; whether or not we leave has already been decided and should be respected in the same manner remainers would expect the result to be respected had they won.

3 years of remain trying to scupper the whole thing has removed the ability to negotiate the best deal - or, most probably any deal: I certainly don't countenance now having parliament being granted (yet) another 3 years to try and get "that" deal - that's simply the path to remaining by stealth; that can can (sorry) be kicked down the road forever, although being pro-leave I'm supposed to be too stupid to realise that's their master plan..

, 7:15 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
The referendum was a straight remain of leave choice.

Everybody was told that the likes of Norway and Switzerland were not in the EU. As far as most of us were concerned there was a whole host of arrangements that meant being not in the EU but the "out" definition has been hijacked by the ERG [ English Rats Group ] who are absolutely intent on having their definition of out implemented by Boris.

The HoC is aware of the ERG/Cummings subterfuge.

Hammer and Pickle 7:13 Tue Oct 22
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Very much looks like yet another WA is still born, so a GE is the next step following the extension.

Will this deliver a Brexit parliament and proper BINO? Very much looks like it and you wankers will have every opportunity to moan about foreigners, business and the cool, clever people who can actually make themselves useful in the real world until you finally turn blue and die.

Fo the Communist 7:03 Tue Oct 22
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Mike
The point I make is that the best chance of a clean break (which I believe you are advocating) is - and always was - another referendum.

That remains the case.

13 Brentford Rd 6:52 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Shut up Gavros you metrosexual cunt with moobs.

Mike Oxsaw 6:49 Tue Oct 22
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Fo the Communist 6:22 Tue Oct 22

What "sort" of leave wasn't on offer.

Just to remind everyone, the available choices were:

1. Leave (with a deal IF POSSIBLE, but without one if not),
2. Remain (Stay in the EU forever, never get offered the chance to leave again and suck up to whatever it has in store, whether or not public knowledge).

No flavours, no rose tinted variations on withdrawal.

What some people now (need to) think others (i.e. not them) expected is irrelevant.

Block 6:46 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
He's self aware, nothing wrong with that.

You, on the other hand are the complete opposite. Totally ignorant to yourself.

Gavros 6:43 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
"people's (cunts) vote"


Youre calling yourself a cunt?

Fo the Communist 6:35 Tue Oct 22
Re: EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
Billy
Have to disagree mate.
There is a world of difference between the positions of Swinson and, say, JRM yet both have, on occasions, voted against the Brexit-of-the-day presented to them.

There is plenty to suggest that - the usual partisan votes aside - there would be enough consensus for the orderly Brexit both main parties were elected on the platform of delivering.

The main issue now is not leaving per se but leaving in order to comply with Jonson's 'do or die' timetable.

This people versus parliament narrative of Johnson and Cummings is merely a UK version of Trump's 'drain the swamp' and is more about increasing Johnson's election chances than delivering Brexit.

13 Brentford Rd 6:26 Tue Oct 22
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We already voted out so any "people's (cunts) vote" should be a straight choice between deal or no deal, that would be the only fair question.

only1billybonds 6:24 Tue Oct 22
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Fo.

With respect mate that isnt an answer. Countless mp's voted to trigger A50,they stood on platforms vowing to deliver Brexit and since they got elected,have done their level best. So with that in mindwhy would Parliament be trusted to deliver? The remain lot in Parliament are adamant we are staying in regardless of what the voters want. Swinson's 'i'll never accept Brexit' comment is the byword for the remainers in the HOC.

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