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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Nurse Ratched 4:54 Thu Nov 21
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Arf! @ 'poverty' in Britain.

stewie griffin 4:51 Thu Nov 21
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Isn't that sadiq cunt in London? There or thereabouts anyway...

ray winstone 4:50 Thu Nov 21
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200,000 starter homes, zero built.

Mike Oxsaw 4:42 Thu Nov 21
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Perhaps his company was one of those "patronised" by that royal scumbag and they're all busy burning the e-mails from/to him.

Cabbage Savage 4:35 Thu Nov 21
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what has happen to the big headed baby man Brock today?

Mike Oxsaw 4:27 Thu Nov 21
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The government could do no worse in starting to gain respect by delivering the Brexit that was voted for.

Hammer and Pickle 4:26 Thu Nov 21
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Oh no - here we go :(

threesixty 4:24 Thu Nov 21
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ironsofcanada

The quote:

"Challenged that the government was responsible for poverty and the Tories had had almost 10 years to address the issue, Patel replied: “It’s not the government, though, is it? Everybody just says ‘the government’ as if it is this sort of bland blob that, you know, you can just go and blame.”

Pressed further, she added: “Actually, it’s, well, it’s not [the government’s fault], because it’s all parts of society and the structures. Local authorities have a role to play, education, public services, which are locally led and locally run.”



The point is government can and does overrule local authorities. It is government that sets the agenda and also defines spending. It is government that can enforce whatever they need to happen. That is why government is "responsible". Its like saying MP isn't responsible for our recent run of losses. Of course he fucking is!

You'll be telling me next Prince Andrew really does need 4 days in the presence of a convicted peodophile to end his relationship with him.


Yes we all know MP's talk bollocks but the levels its going to is astronomical now.
If the buck does not stop with a government after 10yrs in power for the welfare of its citizens, where does it stop? Can we stop giving these idiots any credibility please. Its embarrassing.

Mike Oxsaw 4:22 Thu Nov 21
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Who or what is stopping people (in poverty) from bettering themselves?

Are Strictly & the Soaps so compelling that they can't be missed?

What happened to switching the TV (& social media) OFF for 30 minutes to read an educational book?

OK - it may take a couple of years doing that, but what gives you the impression that it will happen in a few days?

Cabbage Savage 4:12 Thu Nov 21
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what is poverty in UK?
If you dont have car or ipad?
I Poland it is not having 2 cabbiges to rub togever

zebthecat 3:57 Thu Nov 21
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Iron2010 3:33 Thu Nov 21

It is a typical tactic in that the words are carefully crafted to be interpreted one way at first glance yet the politicians can argue semantically after the fact (and after the wrong impression has been deliberately made) that it wasn't, strictly speaking, a lie.
The intention is absolutely to deceive of course (e.g. the big bus of lies, FullFactUK, Labour's etc. etc. etc.).

ironsofcanada 3:50 Thu Nov 21
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threesixty 3:36 Thu Nov 21

Do you normally get so outraged at the spin the Guardian puts on people's statements?

Probably a full time job, to be fair.

That is not what she said, of course.

The other headlines I have seen on this are equally "paraphrased."

There is live video of it, watching that I have always found will get you much closer to the truth.

She is attempting to shift the blame rather clumsily and gets poorly vague in the later exchange but what journalist are allowed to get away with is as appalling as politicians.

threesixty 3:36 Thu Nov 21
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"The government is not responsible for poverty in the UK, the home secretary has said."

Says Prit Patel

is that not the wildest statement ever made by a politician!

You've been in charge for 10 fucking years love! ffs

How can you not be responsible? Who else can be? Why are you in charge if you're not actually responsible?

Who gives these idiots positions of power?
Oh, its us..

I've voted Cons before (mainly to punish labour and now I'm gutted I did because look at how its turned out), but wow, I cant remember them ever having the complete shit show of a cabinet like they have now. wtf is going on out there?

How does anyone vote for Tory this time with a straight face? I'm sure if Labour were more moderate it would be a landslide for them. There would barely be a Tory seat left if Labour would just fucking relax.

Iron2010 3:33 Thu Nov 21
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:21 Thu Nov 21
That's the spirit.

In honesty, I don't know where you find the energy to even begin to defend these cunts. They are well aware that the tabloids will just print headline remarks and equally understand how the mob will react to them.

As I said earlier, it would be great if free-thinking people put tribalism to one side and held these fuckers to account.

Side of Ham 3:27 Thu Nov 21
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Golden Oldie 3:06 Thu Nov 21

Yes I have GO, but when you have to point out the silly things ChillTheKunt thinks and then posts on here, you have to use something he will have heard of...

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:21 Thu Nov 21
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Iron2010 3:12 Thu Nov 21

My point is the correct response to Johnson's claim is not, 'Liar, liar, pants on fire' and a link to an article that shows him not to be one.

It is, 'Yes. True enough, but only six of these have been started and they are renovations rather than new hospitals. And the new hospitals planned aren't actually going to increase capacity very much, since they will replace old ones, you floppy blonde-haired toff cunt'

The aforesaid blonde tosser would then have the opportunity to say, 'True, but these new hospitals will be state of the art, blah, blah,blah, improve patient throughput, blah, blah, whatever'.

Then Worzel could reply in turn in a civilised manner.

As you pointed out yourself, nobody is actually lying, and, to be fair, Corbyn didn't say that himself.

Johnson 3:13 Thu Nov 21
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Labour under Blair and Brown took PFI to a whole new level especially within the NHS.

I know as I was working for a prominent provider, who also as it happens were making large donations to the Labour Party cause at that time - sure that was a coincidence though.

A lot of proposed contracts were either canned or reviewed when the ConLib coalition came in.

A point on any party’s use of PFI is that they used to negotiate directly via the civil service who are absolutely fucking shit at negotiating and got bent over or tied in to 10 year or evergreen terms that were increasingly favourable to the suppliers.

At the root of a lot of the problems in the country can be laid at the door of do-gooding, overly promoted yet under competent and often downright thick public sector management and admin staff.

How they as a community get lumped in to the beyond reproach group with nurses, quacks, firemen etc is beyond me.

It was one of the things my mob were good at, aiming those leeching cunts out so PFI can and does work.

ChillTheKeel 3:12 Thu Nov 21
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d) Matt Hancock

Iron2010 3:12 Thu Nov 21
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:08 Thu Nov 21

*weeps

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:08 Thu Nov 21
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Iron2010 12:41 Thu Nov 21

'It's important to define "new hospital" as a building or area of land that does not currently exist to treat sick people.'

|ndeed. And I did read up very carefully. Like what happened with King George's in Ilford. A brand new hospital that replaced a crappy old one that was closed down. At no point has anyone claimed 40 'extra' hospitals, just 40 new ones. Hence Winstone's point that they couldn't be new hospitals if they already existed was bollocks.

ChillTheKeel 3:07 Thu Nov 21
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:00

You must be:
a) A malfunctioning Tory spinning robot
b) After 8 resurrected,
C) Unwell.

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