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Barty 12:31 Fri Dec 9
Is suicide the solution I need?
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overbyyer 8:04 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
goose wrote...

"we live in a society whereby you are judged firstly on how much money you have, and your looks."




Goose, I think for many people it is more like being judged firstly on how much money you appear to have.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35249044


"More than 85% of Ford's showroom sales are on finance plans known as PCPs - where customers in effect lease a car - and which are widely credited with having boosted vehicle sales across the industry in recent years."

Mike Oxsaw 7:50 Fri Jan 6
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:28 Fri Jan 6

Indeed. State level corruption.

Industrial grade "I'm alright, Jack" & weapons grade "Look after number 1".

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:28 Fri Jan 6
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chim chim cha boo 4:30 Fri Jan 6

'I could stand at the end of my road and within five minutes see a super-car go past among the countless other cars that cost upwards of eighty grand.'

Yes you could. Because there is less inequality of wealth here.

I can't really see your point. At least, I think you have a point but are expressing it wrongly in terms of relative inequality of wealth between the richest and poorest nations.

It's an easy trap to fall into because it allows western liberals to blame themselves (or more likely, 'the Tories'/'Republicans'/capitalism) for the troubles of the poor in Africa (mostly). In fact most of Africa's problems are the result of the staggering degree of corruption among its ruling class.

Gavros 5:43 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
Or as Homer Simpson explains:

Apu, if it makes you feel any better, I've learned that life is just one crushing defeat after another until you finally just wish Flanders was dead.

stomper 4:42 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
I met a yank 30 years ago, who said you cant really be poor without a Cadillac (unpaid for and sucking money out of the house) parked outside.
In other words, in this instance, its not poverty that kills you: its aspiration

SUM A DING WONG 4:41 Fri Jan 6
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What Goose & Gavros said....

chim chim cha boo 4:30 Fri Jan 6
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:51 Fri Jan 6

I'm afraid it doesn't boil down to simple numbers. I would say that the rich of Chad probably don't live cheek by jowl with the poor.

I could stand at the end of my road and within five minutes see a super-car go past among the countless other cars that cost upwards of eighty grand.

Personally I couldn't give a fuck as I've never even owned a car but I could imagine someone prone to depression get bent out of shape about it.

THAT is the inequality in wealth I'm talking about.

Personally it's in my nature to look inside the car and it's inevitably a cunt with a long face driving it so why should I give a shit how much 'better off' he is than me?

I guess some people lack my generally sunny disposition.

Hammer and Pickle 4:22 Fri Jan 6
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Two basics for happiness

- accept that if you are a cunt your mates are going to think you are a cunt, your kids are going to hate you and your wife is going to fuck off and take your house.

- don't be a cunt.

Tomshardware 4:17 Fri Jan 6
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Some good posts here, agree with that theory Gavros, also Goose makes a good point.

goose 4:14 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
i dont think 'normal everyday people' in poorer countries get the wealth and lifestyles of the 'rich' rubbed in their faces everyday by the media.

we live in a society whereby you are judged firstly on how much money you have, and your looks.

Gavros 4:06 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
in this manner life becomes an elongated story of buyers remorse which eventually overwhelms some people.

Gavros 4:04 Fri Jan 6
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we are constantly measuring ourselves against expectation given new information. You for example would be massively happy if you won £10 million on the lottery, but that happiness would fade as you increasingly factor your wealth into your expectation for life. being constantly happy by this definition would necessitate constant upward surprises in fortune which is very unlikely. The opposite isnt as unlikely; in your early 20s you envisage a successful career, a model wife, a fast car and so on. By the time you get to, say, 45 and youve got a broken marriage, your Mrs has fucked off with the house, you cant see your kids and youve been passed over for promotion god knows how many times, the cumulative downgrade of expectations is such that you may consider it not worth to carry on in the expectation that you will be increasingly disappointed with your lot.

Hammer and Pickle 4:02 Fri Jan 6
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chim chim cha boo 3:12 Fri Jan 6

Have you read any Durkheim mate?

Gavros 4:00 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
that second sentence should read:

So the fellow living in a village in the Sahara has fuck all [but is happy] because by his definition of life he's got on just about as expected

Gavros 3:58 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
its little to do with actual inequalities between people, more so to do with one's perceived inequality versus what one could have had. So the fellow living in a village in the Sahara has fuck all because by his definition of life he's got on just about as expected, whereas we have a spectrum of potential expectations which we attach ourselves to at some point, and when we don't measure up against that we feel like we've become losers.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:51 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
chim chim cha boo 3:25 Fri Jan 6

Are you seriously suggesting that inequalities in wealth are greater in the west than in, say, Chad?

Mike Oxsaw 3:49 Fri Jan 6
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I think the gulf is still there in "poor" countries, chim, but the "poor of the poor" don't seem to look to or expect the rich to hand out charity - they understand their role and take control, either sitting back and accepting it or working to improve their lot.

They've worked out that they won't suddenly wake up one day fabulously wealthy and able to afford every single item they see advertised, so it doesn't stress them.

They're only "entitled" to have what they've earned

Tomshardware 3:45 Fri Jan 6
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Chim it's massively complex, I remember watching a programme on the BBC about it 2 years ago. It followed the wives of men who'd taken their own lives, in some cases there was no sign of anything wrong outwardly and they just did it with no warning. Some on the face of it had everything, decent job, nice wife and kids etc.

Have they studied why men are more likely to kill themselves particularly the age range you mentioned?

chim chim cha boo 3:25 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
I read somewhere that the biggest cause of unhappiness is living in a society where there are huge inequalities of wealth- possibly a reason why 'poor' people in 'poor' countries always seem happier than us westerners.

It dawned on me ages ago that 'rich' has plenty of different meanings besides wealth. The same is true of 'poor'.

Tomshardware 3:15 Fri Jan 6
Re: Is suicide the solution I need?
Sad times Chim and even though it's being spoken about a little more it really isn't getting down to the root of the problems of modern day life.

chim chim cha boo 3:12 Fri Jan 6
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I was talking to an East End Vicar the other day (as you do) and I can't remember how we got onto the subject of suicide but he said that when he started doing services at funerals twenty-odd years ago he would go to funerals for three or four suicides a year.

Now he says it's at least two or more a month. He said it's a virtual epidemic and can't understand how it isn't getting spoken about, let alone addressed.

He said that he was talking to someone from Cribbs (who are one of the biggest funeral directors in Britain, based in East London in case you don't know that) and he said that if they are asked to remove a male body (and it is almost always men) who have died aged between 25 and 55 they don't even bother to ask the cause of death, they simply assume it's suicide by hanging.

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