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Alan 1:29 Sun Sep 24
They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
LionofViennasuite

Time For a Cull? Why Burke & Cullen Should Be Sent Back to West Ham
Has he done enough? Not for me, Clive

In a performance that threw up a whole manner of grievances for Bolton Wanderers fans, one aspect of Bolton's dismantling by Brentford has been especially hard to forgive. The lacklustre and indifferent performances of loanees Josh Cullen and Reece Burke has got me thinking that we should tear up their loan agreements early and send them packing to East London.

Burke's performance peaked in the fourth minute when he arrived first to a 50/50, attacking the right flank and sliding a low cross into the box for Adam Armstrong, although Bees keeper David Bentley smothered the attempt.

After that, Burke seemed intent on beating his marker to the ball at every opportunity, often finishing second best and committing cynical fouls in his own half. One such foul gave Brentford an identical opportunity to their opening goal from Yoann Barbet. I've seen Burke play at centre half, right back and in midfield this season, and bar a solid performance at Birmingham City, he hasn't convinced in any of those positions.

One thing is for sure, he lacks the essential attributes to be a decent centre half. If he cared as much about getting the basics of defending right as he did his side parting, he might have a chance of making it.

His game ended in the 62nd minute, when Phil Parkinson switched from a 5-3-2 to a 4-4-2 formation. In fairness, Burke was the leading candidate to be taken off. Little and Robinson were doing their best to provide width, where Wheater and Beevers simply cared more about turning the game in Wanderers' favour. David Wheater and Mark Beevers are Bolton Wanderers players; Reece Burke however is not.

When the curtain comes down on this season, he won't be here to play his part.

Josh Cullen, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter.

What exactly does he do? Bradford City fans would have us think he was Zinedine Zidane, and West Ham fans are expecting the next Mark Noble to return back to East London in January. Reality will bite Hammers fans hard when they see what Cullen has to offer; nothing. He can't tackle, can't pass, doesn't cover ground, can't shoot: he isn't a defensive midfielder, box-to-box midfielder, attacking midfielder, playmaker, ball-winner or number 10. He isn't even the illusive "luxury player" fans often speak of.

He's diminutive, soft in the tackle, lacking in pace and devoid of the energy required to compete in The Championship.

He and Jem Karacan were run ragged by the midfield three of Yennaris, Woods and Sawyers. At Hull, he limped off when the going got tough. Like Burke, he isn't a Wanderer. He's a West Ham player out on loan to some northern outpost in the second tier, and his performances scream "I don't want to be here".

With the embargo lifted, players like Alex Perry and Jeff King are now able to play their part.

If this ship is going to sink, I'd rather Cullen and Burke would sail off in their claret and blue lifeboat now, and let players who want to wear the white shirt do their bit for the cause.


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Not what we wanted to hear, but some comments about Cullen:-

You will never be a premier league footballer as long as I have a hole in my arse. F*ck off back to West Ham you bell end.

Its one thing putting up with our own shite week in week out but having this c*nt forced on us by Wet Ham...joke. F*ck him off.
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The mans a fckimg shadow, a ghost. The ball goes through him and the game passess him by. He plays some none existent sideways passes that get you nowhere.

Thats for any west ham fan thinking 'oh ill have a
Mooch, see how our yoof are getting on'. Absolute dog sh!t mate seriously we would be better playing with 10 men. Hope he gets injured, would rather a bwfc youngster was learning his trade out there.

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I know that you just want to vent (and who am I to argue?), but I would just like to posit that he probably does this because there's the square root of f*ck all in front of him.

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Cullen is poor at this level. No defensive game, no assists, no goals. Add to that he is inexperienced and probably losing confidence. He shouldn't be starting games

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Both the West Ham lads look like they are still at youth team level. Oh wait, they are youth team players. Not cut out for this level in a million years.

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Eggbert Nobacon 10:06 Wed Sep 27
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Swindon

you missed Martinez not being able to get in the Oxford side either

Sven Roeder 1:02 Wed Sep 27
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Bolton have no money and have not spent a penny on any player.
They are last with 2 Pts
Can't be the easiest place to play. Which might be the point

normannomates 12:53 Wed Sep 27
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
They thrived at Bradford.
Maybe Bolton is a toxic environment?
Some have a very simple way of looking at things.

swindon hammer 11:23 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
So Burke and Cullen have already been dropped to the bench at Bolton, Reece Oxford has not played at all in Germany yet while Samuelson couldn't get in Peterborough's team last season either.

Our kids are just not good enough.

MikeHammer 11:10 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
They didn't get on tonight but still Bolton lost

happygilmore 10:04 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Snodgrass on the score sheet for Villa.

Sven Roeder 9:42 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Both on the bench tonight away at Bristol City

torino hammer 12:55 Tue Sep 26
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Alex, I don't disagree I think the club has a very big responsibility but maybe for short-term expediency and minimising costs they view such players as disposable as there are plenty more wannabee professional footballers clammering for their opportunity....

Alex V 12:43 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Well in this case you directly blamed the young person, which is why I bring it up as a good example of that. You said 'his attitude was not as good as his talent'. Why I question that is that I don't think you ever develop talent without having the attitude to improve it (I don't personally believe it is handed to people by God etc.). And also that development of the mental side of being a senior player is something that the club could and should provide. In Adam Newton's case, did it?

torino hammer 12:35 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Yes, Alex, I accept it was Adam and not Shaun. I am not in any way blaming young people. There are many reasons why young players don't make it including their lack of ability or steel compared to bought in players having already served their apprenticeship

Alex V 12:26 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
>>> Shaun Newton was the star of the FA youth cup winning teams but ended up in the lower leagues as his attitude wasn't as good as his talent.

It was Adam Newton, but I'm afraid this is just another example of the 'blame young people' attitude that seems to be the constant narrative. As with many academy players Newton was with the club for over a decade, so they had a long time to root out and correct any 'bad attitude', if any genuinely existed.

Crassus 11:35 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Swindon
I was alluding to exactly that

Crassus 11:34 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Not at Bolton Kev - they are absolutely direct I am afraid and were last year too

swindon hammer 11:32 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
"Direct hoofball side who will be relegated unceremoniously"

Sounds like the perfect preparation for when they return to West Ham!

JustAFatKevinDavies 11:30 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Phil Parkinson is the manager there and I think hes had them both on loan before, and generally plays decent football I believe.

Crassus 11:28 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
If you are to loan youth players then at least do so to teams who will benefit their careers and perhaps play a style that compliments that development and reflects yours

Bolton are a shit kicking, direct hoofball side who will be relegated unceremoniously

Not sure upon who that reflects worse upon - the players, Bolton or us for sending them there

torino hammer 10:56 Tue Sep 26
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
Maybe sometimes our blinkered C&B coloured specs are desperate for youth team success stories and the reality is very few ever really make it these days compared with the imported more finished articles brought in.
Shaun Newton was the star of the FA youth cup winning teams but ended up in the lower leagues as his attitude wasn't as good as his talent.
Burke and Cullen would strengthen the U23 team but I don't expect them to make it to the next level

ludo21 1:42 Mon Sep 25
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
They were with Phil Parkinson at Bradford so when Parkinson gets the boot (can't be long now) I expect they will be surplus to requirements at Bolton.

Would be interesting to see them play in the U23s as we would have a very strong team with them in it (bring Oxford back as well)... I can see the benefit of bringing a strong U23 group through as a cohesive team but obviously that is just a pipe deam and will never happen in reality.

Could bring De Boer in as a coach (not first team manager) and see what he can do with them and try an replicate what he did at Ajax.

Brucies_Star_Prize 11:27 Mon Sep 25
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Sven Roeder 7:51 Sun Sep 24
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen

I believe Harry Kane was on loan for the best part of 3 years before making the breakthrough at Spurs.

Side of Ham 9:54 Mon Sep 25
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
vexed, that and perfecting the "I thought you was marking him" look.

MikeHammer 9:39 Mon Sep 25
Re: They're not happy with Burke & Cullen
My boss is a Bolton season ticket holder and has described Burke as "awesome" but in a poor team who are going down. Cullen he sees as a luxury and a player who appears to pass sideways or backwards - has talent but not one for the fight they are in. As he goes to most games I trust his views.

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