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Rossal 12:11 Thu Oct 5
West Ham vote in favour of redistribution of TV money
Bold move from us, means we will look to cement top 10 finsihes to get more £££ from the TV money


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4948110/Premier-League-chiefs-descend-London-crunch-talks.html


Mirror

West Ham set to ditch their backing of the 'Big Six' in Premier League's overseas TV rights war

The Hammers were one of three sides set to back a new system where overseas TV money is part-distributed on the basis of league position

West Ham are ready to ditch their backing of the Big Six in the TV cash row that is threatening to destabilise the Premier League.

Their defection would be a big blow to the clubs wanting a bigger slice of overseas television rights.

West Ham were seen as one of the few clubs outside the Big Six who would agree a compromise meaning TV money from abroad would be part-distributed on the basis of league finishing positions.

Yet even though Wednesday’s summit meeting was adjourned with no decision being made, Mirror Sport understands West Ham are now reconsidering their original position.

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DagenhamDave 8:29 Thu Oct 5
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2 bob billionaire

stepney hammer 8:19 Thu Oct 5
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I'm against just giving it to these six clubs due to their 'global brand' as they would probably have it, however I think it's fair enough to distribute it on a performance related basis via league placing.

This is the sort of thing people moan about with public sector workers, everyone doing a particular job getting paid exactly the same, guaranteed pay increases and incremental rises regardless of how well or shit they actually perform. There's no incentive to do anything beyond the bare minimum in the current system.

Hopefully this would incentivise clubs who's only ambition is to get to 40 points and finish 17th to show a bit more ambition.

Vexed 7:57 Thu Oct 5
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I'm reading this as per our transfer dealings that we are no longer ambitious and are happy to just exist. With our big shit stadium and rich owners.

MancIron 7:02 Thu Oct 5
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Greedy bastards already get extra revenue through the Champions League. Five of them in it this season.

Fuck 'em.

Sir Alf 6:40 Thu Oct 5
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Regardless of your view, West Ham's stance on this initially reveals everything you need to know about the 2Bobs. They are a couple of "Me Too"s . Pretentious twats who like to think they have already turned West Ham into a big club.

Its like people who start their own business and rent an office, get office equipment, hire staff, get an execs car and suit and the trappings but have not yet built a healthy business and customer base with repeatable earnings and profits.

Reason is that to do so takes hard work, some long term thinking and planning and costs a shit load of money to improve a Prem league team on the pitch.

They are a bit like the Krays who thought you had to look the part with Saville Row suits and flash cars but in the end were a couple of east end gangsters.

We might not even be in the league soon if they do not realise they are part of the problem not the solution.

2Bobs need to shut up and start doing something constructive to improve the club like decent training facilities. youth development and a good manager.

Alan 6:14 Thu Oct 5
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Mirror

West Ham set to ditch their backing of the 'Big Six' in Premier League's overseas TV rights war

The Hammers were one of three sides set to back a new system where overseas TV money is part-distributed on the basis of league position

West Ham are ready to ditch their backing of the Big Six in the TV cash row that is threatening to destabilise the Premier League.

Their defection would be a big blow to the clubs wanting a bigger slice of overseas television rights.

West Ham were seen as one of the few clubs outside the Big Six who would agree a compromise meaning TV money from abroad would be part-distributed on the basis of league finishing positions.

Yet even though Wednesday’s summit meeting was adjourned with no decision being made, Mirror Sport understands West Ham are now reconsidering their original position.

Hermit Road 6:05 Thu Oct 5
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Deserve doesn't come into it to me. That's not how markets work. The bigger clubs already commercialize their size and do very well out of it. Fair enough. They sell millions of pounds worth of shirts worldwide, they have numerous, huge sponsorship deals, they also have their own premium tv channels in some cases. Nobòdy to my knowledge is suggesting they share that with the others, nor should they. When it comes to TV rights in a company (the premier league) in which they have an equal share to Bournemouth or West Brom, then they shouldn't get more. The fact remains that a game involving Man U vs Chelsea might command the higher viewing figures and generate the bigger sales revenue, but take away all the other clubs and that match becomes a friendly that generates very little.

Put simply, the bigger 6 only generate bigger viewing figures because they are part of a league that includes other teams. On that basis, the smaller clubs wpuld be moronic to vote in favour. No surprise then that we did. Though of course ours may not be as stupid as it appears. A possible investor may pay more for a team that he feels cpuld have a chance of gorging on that day cat's pie later on.

Sniper 5:20 Thu Oct 5
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By my reckoning, anyone outside the current top 6 will never be worse off than they currently are if the situation stays the same

They could be better off if things change AND they break the top 6 which is unlikely

They will be worse off if things change and they stay outside the top 6

Anyone in the top 6 benefits if the rules change and it increases their chances of staying there

So basically the top 6 are chancing it because they have nothing to lose

I have no idea why anyone outside he top 6 would be remotely interested - it's an unnecessary and really stupid gamble

Rossal 4:55 Thu Oct 5
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Both fair points chaps

I think the argument that the big 6 deserve more though has more weight for the overseas rights than the domestic

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:50 Thu Oct 5
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Rossal.

In the years to come income from overseas TV rights is going to dwarf income from domestic rights. That's why the big six are trying to set a precedent now while overseas rights are still relatively unexploited.

Lily Hammer 4:29 Thu Oct 5
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Rossal, you are almost certainly correct. What we don't know though, is how popular our league would be if it had been the same two clubs winning the league every single season for the last 25 years. You'd still get loads of glory hunting sheep tuning in to watch those two teams bum fuck everyone, but there surely has to be a significant percentage that wouldn't have the same interest as they do now.

Whatever the facts on that, it's still a bit more than cheeky that the top 6 argue that they deserve more money because they are the reason the league is so popular.

North Bank 4:29 Thu Oct 5
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Our owners are fucking simpletons, they think we should be rubbing shoulders with the elite because we have a strong fanbase, they are trying to have a champagne lifestyle on beer money

Rossal 4:23 Thu Oct 5
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I have no figs to back it up Lily.....but id be amazed if the average audience for a game ft a top 6 side is not considerably higher than one without

Guess its like us with La Liga or Bundesliga etc....Barca, Madrid or Bayern are on we'll watch it. If you switch over and its Celta Vigo v Alaves or Augsburg v Cologne its abit zzzzzz

Lily Hammer 4:20 Thu Oct 5
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Many overseas followers enjoy English football because of the competativeness; any team can beat any other team. We've done that many times; beat some top teams and get relegated in the same season, so it could be argued that all the PL minnows are just as much to credit for making the PL so attractive as the teams at the top.

Rossal 4:08 Thu Oct 5
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A fairer way would be and has been discussed that the top 6 take the majority of the increase in overseas tv money as lets face it they are teams the overseas countries pay to watch

But then again they are rich enough already....why make that gap any bigger. A more competitive league is better for the majority

Ilford Hammer 3:37 Thu Oct 5
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I can kind of understand why the self appointed big 6 want to do it. They want to cement their position and kill off the competition. I don't agree with it at all, but I understand it.

What I don't understand is why our fucking owners are signing up for it. It's like the bespectacled ginger haired retard at school kissing the bully's arse and running errands so he doesn't get beaten up himself. They're so desperate to join the top 6 after our iconic stadium move that they are willing to do literally anything to jump into bed with them.

Lily Hammer 3:25 Thu Oct 5
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Ilford

Not a bad read.

The idea that clubs should get a pass because of how well they have been historically is as stupid as giving Usain Bolt the gold medal this summer, despite not winning, simply because he won nearly everything before.

Ilford Hammer 3:07 Thu Oct 5
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An excellent read on the subject:

http://thehlist.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/the-questions-they-dont-want-you-to-ask.html?m=1

El Scorchio 2:47 Thu Oct 5
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The only reasons i can think of us being for this move are either:

-They are genuinely serious about us becoming a top club and think they can do so (seems unlikely based on current/past actions)

-They realise that a smaller slice of a massive pie is better than the risk of the big clubs fucking off and them being left with a bigger piece of a comparatively tiny pie.

As a halfway house maybe redistributing it a little more in terms of finishing position rather than just guaranteeing the big clubs more, irrespective of performance (which the Gary Neville article hints that us and a few others proposed) isn't such a bad shout. Gives us incentive to try and grow the club- depending on the owners ambition or lack of. If they were just intending to sell the club on and protect their investment, I'd have assumed a flat 'no' would have been the answer.

Any Old Iron 2:39 Thu Oct 5
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I really worry about the mentality of our owners. All too often these days many of the so called Big 6 are cruising past the so called also-rans, including ourselves, in one sided games that are very unappealing to most 'football' fans.
Man City and Chelsea are banging in goals left right and centre because they buy up world class talent thanks to their mega-wealthy owners and massive income.
Just imagine what would happen if these clubs get even more of the cake; they'll just buy up even more big name talent and the Prem would become something similar to La Liga with the big boys constantly thrashing the lesser lights. Who the fuck wants to watch that.

The reason that a club like Sunderland get £100MILL is to give such clubs some kind of chance of being competitive. Without competition then football as a spectator sport would be finished.
At least the yanks understand this and spread the TV money evenly.
It's all very well the greedy fuckers wanting more and more of the cake based on league position (and brand if they had their way) but this will cement their places in the elite and only result in a lack of competition and eventual decline of top flight football.

Frankly, I'd be very happy for these 6 clubs to fuck off and form a Euro super league.

Jim79 1:49 Thu Oct 5
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Didn't we get fucking abused by Swansea 4-0 on the penultimate game of the season??? thats some conspiracy to make that happen!!!

swt

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