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twoleftfeet 9:38 Mon Oct 16
Colin Kaepernick.
I see he is sueing the NFL because no one will pick him, is he any good? Does he have a valid point?

Apparently the Baltimore Ravens were going to sign him until his girlfriend tweeted the owner was a “ slave trader “

He does sound like a pain in the arse.

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mashed in maryland 4:14 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Millionaire at 29 and a "victim". What a world we live in.

Takashi Miike 4:08 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
he's a victim of himself

threesixty 3:55 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Crystal

I just read the article and I’ve also read the comments which are even more illuminating.

From what I see he’s a victim of a lot of different issues and finally exacerbated by his own actions too.

The issues against seem to be:

He made his name in a team with great players who made him look better than he was and now he has delusions of grandeur

He is really a QB3 or QB2 quarterback but not a number 1 and it’s cheaper to get a rookie in to cover those roles than him. Also the style he plays isn’t as relevant to the league anymore (I believe many teams have figured out the style he’s good at playing so he is less useful).

He was already benched before the protest so he was pretty much on the decline. He had allegedly had a rift inside the 49ers camp (which he denied).


Issues that a pro Kaepernick:

People in the comments point to the fact that the whole team in now shit since the best players left and K is being scapegoated. That it’s not just he isn’t accurate with passing but the receivers are shit etc..

No one really knows how much money he’s asked for and assume that he has demanded to play as a QB1 and wants that money.

People just hate what he did and the NFL would rather avoid the flack from fans and have passed the can to another team saying, you deal with it. Seems like all 32 can’t be bothered to deal with the flack.


I think my point is that I can see why sporting decisions, modern tactics etc.. would mean K is less desirable for a team. I can see that if he demands to be no.1 QB then that’s just not happening. But the article was in MARCH! It’s now October. Surely, negotiation wise both sides would have found their level by now? Surely after 8 months or so, K would realise he’s not that hot playing wise and find his level. There are millions at stake, it’s not rational that at 29 he would sit it out because he’s not getting 10 times the money or whatever.

The political issue means there is no chance of finding a deal. Which is why it seem like the overwhelming factor in this story. Had he not done the protest, does any one seriously believe he would not be playing in some capacity, somewhere in the NFL? That’s the question.


I suppose we will have to let the courts decide that one...

crystal falace 3:20 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
360 - just going to post this again as you clearly ignored it because it didn't fit your agenda.


After rewatching all 11 of Kaepernick's 2016 starts this week, I found no reason to believe he should have a more vigorous market than Cutler. Quite the contrary; it was exceedingly obvious why Kaepernick is not in demand as a potential starter.
"In the hierarchy of hurdles to the league's 32 coveted QB1 openings, the fallout from Kaepernick's polarizing protest ranks a distant third behind passing ability and scheme fit. If multiple reports of a Kaepernick-centric schism in the 2015 49ers locker room are given credence in NFL front offices, the protest factor drops yet another notch."

Grumpster 3:18 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Far Cough 3:15 Tue Oct 17

Check out the press conference yesterday where a wag mentions KP to McCarthy.

His response was aggressively excellent and says it all about what people think of Kaep as a person

Grumpster 3:16 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Bad example, it was more that he was made to look good by club legends, when in reality the fans knew from the start that he was shit.

As a Niners fan, I've been slagging him off on the NFL threads for years as being shit!!

He's using race as an excuse for not getting a position, when in reality the owners can get someone better who has just left college for a quarter of the money.

Far Cough 3:15 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Should be able to find a spot with the Packers, their backup, Hundley didn't look all that

threesixty 3:12 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Grumpster

But isn’t Brady like the equivalent of Ronaldo or something? I think it’s weird that a normal QB is being compared to legends?

Or are we saying he’s asking for Brady money and that’s the issue? Because it doesn’t seem like it.

Or are we in this weird once in a life time situation that a QB at his level is seriously just not useful to any NFL team? And does Colin K really feel it’s not worth getting out of bed unless it’s for x amount of money? That would be pretty strange behaviour as it’s not like he’s doing anything else with the time on his hands.

When you look at sports blogs who understand the game I never get the idea that he’s a trash player. No one thinks he’s so amazing etc.. but everyone seems genuinely surprised he isn’t with a team.

I take it you don’t seem surprised at all he’s not got a team and expected that to be the situation with him? Regardless of the political thing, 2/3 yrs ago you watched this player and thought, how on earth has this guy got a place in the NFL? Is that how you thought?

crystal falace 3:03 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
After rewatching all 11 of Kaepernick's 2016 starts this week, I found no reason to believe he should have a more vigorous market than Cutler. Quite the contrary; it was exceedingly obvious why Kaepernick is not in demand as a potential starter.
"In the hierarchy of hurdles to the league's 32 coveted QB1 openings, the fallout from Kaepernick's polarizing protest ranks a distant third behind passing ability and scheme fit. If multiple reports of a Kaepernick-centric schism in the 2015 49ers locker room are given credence in NFL front offices, the protest factor drops yet another notch."

One quote that sums it all up very nicely if you dont want to read the whole article

crystal falace 3:02 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Chris Wesseling is probably my favourite person at NFL media and his opinion is the one that I respect the most go and look up anything that he has said about kaepernick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794912/article/value-of-colin-kaepernicks-activism-aside-qb-skills-are-suspect

That's what he wrote around the same time as that Nate silver article you plucked out of nowhere

Grumpster 2:57 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
We can discuss the man he is, but not worth discussing him as a player if you don't know the game.

He came into the team when we had some all time 49ers legends playing (Justin Smith, Frank Gore, Patrick Willis etc) who basically done so much good, that his stats were made to look better than he actually is.

They then all retired and he went from a 21-6 win record to 28-30, as it was then all about his ability and he was left seriously wanting.

At any time when proper QB's like Rodgers and Brady have had average offensive lines ahead of them, they've still adapted and haven't let their figures drop at all, as they don't solely rely on others to make them look good - they basically run the show with their class.

crystal falace 2:47 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
you can't use English football as an example because we have multiple tiers of teams where some players will go to find work.

The only place Kapernick would be good enough to start is in the CFL or for an arena football team which his inflated ego wouldn't allow.

Like I said he may well be one of the top 64 players at his position but he has a very unique set of skills so he wouldn't be able to be a backup for Tom Brady or Matt Ryan because they operate in completely different systems to him.

it is simply not worth the hassle signing a BACKUP quarterback who doesn't know when to throw the ball away and doesn't know how to put any touch on his throws, oh and he also wants to be paid twice as much as any backup in the league is making.

threesixty 2:34 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Lee

"You read something on the internet, and take it as gospel even though you know nothing about the situation."

yeah, like I just read some crap on WHO by a guy called Lee and took it as gospel. Even though other reputable resources completely contradict what this Lee bloke is saying.

threesixty 2:31 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Grumpster

Be Tebow was never a success in anyway as far as I can remember.
Colin played for 4/5 yrs for the same team
and his stats suggest he is above average.

I dont see the comparison. Colin K was an established player. He can play football.

Lee Trundle 2:22 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
This is the problem for your type, threesixy.

You read something on the internet, and take it as gospel even though you know nothing about the situation.

Very large numbers of sheep can be herded by very small numbers of dogs.

Grumpster 2:20 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
"Most pro's unless they are utter garbage can find a team at a decent level as long as they are fit enough. "

That right there 360 - he's utter garbage.

As with Tim Tebow before him who had marvellous running legs but a throw as accurate as I can manage, being a top QB isn't for him as their position doesn't rely mainly on being able to run.

NFL is a huge fucking step up from college football, so having marvellous stats in that means shit when playing against proper beasts.

Takashi Miike 2:16 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
so a gay, lefty, political blogger/expert says nothing factual and you think the cunt is an authority on the kaepernick situation. 'Colin' had the chance to join at least three teams in the summer but a combination of his greed, his bird's mouth and his open love/admiration of particular dictators is the reason he's not with a team

threesixty 2:12 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
It's strange that listening to Anton Ferdinand say that after the John Terry incident English teams wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

And I dont think Anton is a great player but he is better than lost of other crappy players in the first two leagues.

Just like Colin K, I suppose we can say he's shit etc.. But we all know thats not how football works. Most pro's unless they are utter garbage can find a team at a decent level as long as they are fit enough.

I can draw parallels here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4945766/Anton-Ferdinand-no-club-England-wanted-touch-me.html

Lee Trundle 2:11 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Nate Silver is a BIG Hilary Clinton supporter.

Now there's a surprise....

threesixty 2:06 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
In fact

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-its-strange-that-colin-kaepernick-doesnt-have-a-deal-yet/

Nate Silvers's five thirty eight site gives their statistical anaylsis of the situation and concludes:

"It is impossible to prove the precise mix of factors that have gone into Kaepernick’s free agency to this point. The market remains paralyzed by Romo, and teams are run by fallible owners and executives who may simply disagree on Kaepernick’s football value. But given what we know about how the quarterback market has worked historically, and about Kaepernick’s value as a player, the commentariat is right to be suspicious. If Kaepernick begins the season without a team, history says it’s unlikely to be for football reasons. We aren’t there yet, but every day further into free agency makes that scenario harder to ignore."

And five thirty eight isnt just some crappy blog.

Lee Trundle 2:01 Tue Oct 17
Re: Colin Kaepernick.
Are you being serious?

NFL teams have salary caps. There's loads of players over the years that have priced themselves out of teams.

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