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Q: 2017/18 Leicester (h)
a. Moyes has had all week with the whole squad and that will make a difference, Win
14%
  
b. Where do we start, a point would be good, Draw
13%
  
c. Let's be honest we're a shambles, still letting in two goals a game so what chance, Lose
42%
  
d. "You've destroyed our fucking Club", the only way to get the pride back in WHUFC is when the Clowns leave, Who's up for a protest?
27%
  
e. Can you believe my luck, another game on SKY so back to the pub, head to toe in club merchandise and show that I'm hardcore West Ham who follows the Club home and away from my seat at the bar
3%
  



HairyHammer 6:00 Sun Oct 22
Too many foreign players ?
4 foreign players at any one time on the pitch should be the rule in my opinion.
I have always felt that there should be a majority of British players on the pitch, the nucleus .
Sometimes it comes across to me anyway as if something is lost in translation and I do not mean language wise, there is something missing in knowledge of the British game the fans and even to some extent what is needed from them commitment wise , I know many will say they are professionals but is it that simple? ,
The problem is not just with us it happens at the bigger clubs too and consistency has been a problem with clubs such as Liverpool and Arsenal, maybe it is just the simple fact that some players cannot settle with some clubs and West ham sadly have had a shit load of players who for whatever reason over the years especially recently that have not worked out some being British.
I just think every Country loses something fundamental when their leagues are flooded with Foreign players. I am not a racist and could not be if I wanted to regarding football players, I just think that money contracts agents and selfish players who may be slightly different to us in thinking have taken football further away from the dedicated football fan.

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threesixty 2:25 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Football at the end of the day is a meritocracy. The worlds best players play in the top leagues because they are the best.
The lack of british players in our league is down to our players not being good enough or at least worth the money they want for their skill level. If we didn’t have the home grown rule their would be even less british players because lets face it, is Oxlade Chamberlain really worth 40/50m or is it because he makes up a home grown quota?

So the real issue is what I mentioned earlier, british footballers at a young age do not want to venture abroad.
On the whole british people know less foreign languages than anybody else and really cant be bothered to try.
Especially as the home grown rule see’s UK clubs hoovering up talent at young ages hoping to find 1 first team regular, gassing them up as amazing and then dropping them when they feel they cant make it.

If the brits played abroad they would get that last 10/20% of skill, resilience etc.. that they need to make it into first teams in the UK. They just aren’t getting that last 10/20%.

Look at Edmillson Fernandes. He’s 21, came her at 19/20. Has played 32 games already. None of our youngsters have played anything like as many games for this club. If Rice or Oxford played for FC Sion for 2 yrs would they not be at a similar level to Fernandes who is seen as 1st team player?

The loan system doesn’t work well because the chamionship teams are under even more pressure than the Prem teams and sometimes these kids that are on loan aren’t helping them so they dont play them anyway. And that doesn’t help their development.

I think if a group of agents in the UK can convince parents that doing an “Eric Dier” and learning your formative footballing years in top tier foreign league is far better for British players then things may change. Yes you may be a millionare at 18 from one Chelsea contract but I feel that maybe the last top contract they will ever get. Its all short sighted really.

Any Old Iron 2:16 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
The only thing that Allardyce did which I appreciated was that our teams under him always had 5, 6 or 7 British players in the team. Of course I don't know if it was a deliberate policy or just a natural bias of his toward favouring his fellow countrymen.

But it's obvious that Bilic, as a Croat, doesn't give a fuck whether the team is stuffed full of mercenary foreigners, most of whom clearly couldn't care less whether we win or not judging by the pitiful performances from many of them this season.

If I was the owner of the club I'd insist that the team always have an absolute minimum of 6 English/British in the starting XI.

I had to laugh when I heard that 'Moose' moron on Talksport last week having a rant about how he'd always support 'English' clubs in Euro comps and couldn't comprehend how supporters of other clubs wanted the likes of Chelsea to lose. What he doesn't seem to see is that brands such as Chelsea are only English in-so-much that they play in an English league. Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal etc are all foreign owned, foreign managed, stuffed with foreign players with thousands of foreigners supporting them. There's very little that is English about this lot.

But going back to the original question, yes, we do have too many foreigners in the team.

Westside 2:12 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Won't the number of foreign players fall post Brexit?

Currently non EU footballers, to get a work permit, must have played a certain percentage of their countries competitive matches in the last one or two years ( percentage based on player's home country FIFA world ranking).

Logically, those rules will be extended to all nationalities, post Brexit. Not that logic and football always go hand in hand, though.

, 2:01 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
The best/quickest way to raise the number of English players in the PL would be for the tv companies to remove their funding thus cutting at a stroke the enormous amount of money that flows straight to the players and agents. There would be an immediate outflow of foreigners.

We are where we are almost entirely because of the money in the PL.

BRANDED 1:59 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Nah. Its greedy agents and average foreign managers desperstely trying to get success in 2 months before they're sacked.

Swiss. 1:57 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Eggbert

I don't think it's the training. I think it's English kids attitude off the pitch compared to those in other countries. And of course their diet etc.

Eggbert Nobacon 1:54 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
El Scorchio 1:31 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Maybe no-one wants our young players because on the whole they are technically dogshit and underdeveloped and players and people compared to foreign young players and about 5 times more expensive to boot.



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Eggbert Nobacon 1:52 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Not hard to work out why

When Italy had all the money in the 80's and early 90's huge numbers of players from here went there while only a handful of foreigners came here

Since the most money has been here our players don't go abroad hardly at all, while foreigners line up to come here

On The Ball 1:50 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
From an England point-of-view it really bothers me that none of our senior players play abroad.

Makes me think they're very small-minded.

Swiss. 1:50 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Outside the private school system it's shit and English kids can't be arsed to learn another language. Hardgreaves did but he was Canadian I guess.

Swiss. 1:47 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Yeah it was nice when we could field Noble, Cresswell, Tomkins and Carroll. Nice to have an English backbone.

But we have players come up like Oxford and Burke. Seems Spurs blood their boys and stick with them and we don't.

WHUDeano 1:44 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
I've never understood the argument for why any young Englishman would want to leave to play abroad.

Even if it did aid your development, most aren't educated in multiple languages, and you'd be leaving (in the main) a more developed country, where the league may be inferior and you have less earning potential.

Also, unless you're at the very top, you can fall off of potential future clubs' radar's pretty quickly by being out of sight/out of mind

Dropping down the divisions/club hierarchy and working your way back makes more sense to me


Back on the original topic...foreign owners> foreign managers are less inclined to favour English players. Only way to encourage it would be through financial incentives

El Scorchio 1:31 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Maybe no-one wants our young players because on the whole they are technically dogshit and underdeveloped and players and people compared to foreign young players and about 5 times more expensive to boot.

Alex V 12:47 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
threesixty 12:45 Mon Oct 23

Excellent point. I totally agree.

threesixty 12:45 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
I'm not sure what the stats are but I think British players inability to move to leagues outside of the UK is basically killing us.

Think of it how capital flows in business, it goes to where its needed.
There are probably lots of british championship / league 1 players who are probably better than the premier division players in Holland, Portugal, Austria etc.. Why aren't they playing in those leagues? Gaining experience that could help the national team and other british clubs is in the long run?

It feels like if they don't make it in British clubs they just give up completely. Its an international game and no player should feel that their career begins and ends in one country.

Maybe the biggest thing we could teach young pro's is french and spanish at 14/15 yrs old!

When you think about it, players like Fabregas, Bellerin even Hazard are only where they are because they played outside of their home countries at young ages. We dont seem to do that much here.

Eggbert Nobacon 12:28 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
dealcanvey 10:47 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
It is the reason why our national team is so poor. Lots of talented young english players not given a fair chance




We were shit before the foreigners came over en masse too though.

Just before they arrived the England team had the likes of Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas in it and we'd failed to qualify for 3 out of the previous 6 World Cups


Man City seem to be doing ok with almost all foreigners

Westside 12:16 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Whilst the Premier League does have a far higher proportion of foreign players than other European leagues, I was surprised at how high the level is in Italy, Germany and Spain.

http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/mr12_eng.pdf

BRANDED 11:03 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
Spurs seem to be getting it right

penners28 11:00 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
if you looked at the starting 11 of each of the top 4 in england, spain, germany, italy and france this weekend, and the % of the 44 players who are eligible for their national side, we would be the lowest % by far.

therein lies the problem with the national team

dealcanvey 10:47 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
It is the reason why our national team is so poor. Lots of talented young english players not given a fair chance.

SilverSurfer 4:18 Mon Oct 23
Re: Too many foreign players ?
gph

at least we could pronounce them.

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