WHO Poll
Q: 2017/18 Watford (a)
a. Moyes first game & like the postman he'll deliver, win.
44%
  
b. A tough first game for Moyes it'll be a test alright & I expect a point, draw.
24%
  
c. Different day and it'll be the same shit, lose.
14%
  
d. We should be pleaed the football's back but after the last humiliation and the Board's ineptitude, my passion for WHU has been sucked out of me
14%
  
e. I can't wait me, I'm our biggest fan and once again will be down the Rub a Dub kitted out and belting out David Moysie's Blue & Claret Army, I know all the songs me
4%
  



easthammer 1:51 Mon Oct 23
For once statistics don't lie
According to MotD

WEST HAM UTD

Premier League 2017/18

Distance Covered 944.1 km Rank 20th
Sprints 3938 Rank 20th

With simple facts like these, there is little need for overcomplicated analysis of formation and tactics
We ain't putting in the effort.
But I along with most of you already knew that.

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Vexed 1:37 Wed Oct 25
Re: For once statistics don't lie
It's all very depressing. At least there's light at the end of the tunnel now, he's going to be sacked soon.

Ashy 1:33 Wed Oct 25
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Boleyn....
I'm not a stats fan. Looking at some of the names, I doubt that many of those 20 players had much game time?
Minutes played some wouldn't have a total of 3 games worth and some barely more than 10 I reckon!
It might show the stats up, but adds to the fact that we wasted a shit load of money on poor signings.

easthammer 12:39 Wed Oct 25
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Dave

I won't just quote Mark Twain's re-quoting of Disraeli's "lies damn lies and statistics".

I would suggest you read Darrel Huff's book
"How to lie with statistics"
First published in 1954 and still a best seller today

A short little book and a light read.

Having done so I can assure you that people can and do use stats to deliberately mislead others.

DagenhamDave 10:28 Tue Oct 24
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Statistics never lie. People just don’t listen properly.

northbankboy68 8:25 Tue Oct 24
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Boleyn - That makes effing depressing reading. Well researched. Points to need to get shot of incompetent owners to me.

Lertie Button 8:22 Tue Oct 24
Re: For once statistics don't lie
We have been strolling around since the start of last season, it's so ingrained now that's why he need a clear out of the coaching staff

Lertie Button 8:18 Tue Oct 24
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Impossible to imagine how a team could put in less effort than we have.

pdbis 12:46 Tue Oct 24
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Pointless having training as it is plain to see they don't do any.

boleyn8420 2:25 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Joe Hart
Still reliable for his country, at least outside of major tournaments, but almost unfit for purpose for his new club. Of the 20 Premier League goalkeepers to have started five or more games this season, Hart has the lowest save percentage.

Javier Hernandez
Between January 2010 and August 2016, Gold and Sullivan signed off on temporary or permanent deals for Ilan, Benni McCarthy, Mido, Freddie Piquionne, Victor Obinna, Demba Ba, Paul McCallum, Robbie Keane, Brian Montenegro, John Carew, Sam Baldock, Nicky Maynard, Andy Carroll, Wellington Paulista, Sean Maguire, Marouane Chamakh, Modibo Maiga, Danny Whitehead, Mladen Petric, Carlton Cole, Marco Borriello, Jaanai Gordon, Mauro Zarate, Diafra Sakho, Enner Valencia, Nikica Jelavic, Emmanuel Emenike, Toni Martinez, Ashley Fletcher, Simone Zaza and Jonathan Calleri. Of those 31 players – signed in seven years – 20 scored three goals or fewer for West Ham.

Javier Hernandez was meant to change all that, but the dildo brothers are in charge of a powerful hex. The Mexican has scored three goals in 11 games back in the Premier League, and has failed to have a shot on target in five of his last six games. He’s presumably a little peeved.

boleyn8420 2:07 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Shameful stat that. But hardly earth shattering as the evidence is right in front of us at every game. Bilic and the entire 1st team coaching team need to go now

Sniper 2:02 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
When Arnautovic plays you've basically only got ten outfield players running about

It drops to 9 when ayew comes on

Players need a proper rocket up them

Lee Trundle 10:39 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
I'm not the least bit surprised.

We've been strolling around since preseason and our lack of urgency is there for us all to see.

Darby_ 6:52 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Maybe as well as telling players that they can play wherever they want, Bilic tells them they can play at whatever intensity they feel like.

Coffee 4:59 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
medwayhammer1 2:42 Mon Oct 23

Wives who neither like nor understand football aren't always the most authoritative interpreters, despite what they may think. I speak from experience.

medwayhammer1 2:42 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Was watching the Huddersfield game on holiday with the mrs, and she aint a football fan at alland never really watches it and even she pointed out how unfit they looked and how little effort they were putting in...so if she can see it?

gph 2:32 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Agree with that.

They also need to know what their teammates are going to do.

Which is why Ayew fills me with despair. He STILL seems to be on a completely different wavelength to everyone else.

whu4eva 2:28 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
It's not just effort...
It is awareness of where and what to run...
If players don't know where they are going or what to do how can they execute...

To put more effort in you can either
1. Run around like headless chooks and look like you are trying hard with no real end result
2. Each player in their role has a job and a purpose to execute with intensity

gph 2:25 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Basically, I'm saying that anyone can see we're not putting enough effort, and we don't need the stat to see it, especially as its ambiguous.

A side good at keeping possession doesn't need to cover so much distance.

But we're shit at keeping possession, and we should be doing more to compensate.

Assuming we can't stop giving the ball away.

gph 2:18 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
I've often, too often, played in a side facing much superior opposition.

They've given us the run-around, and I'm pretty sure our distance covered stat totally outdoes theirs... but the goals scored stat is the other way round.

Takashi Miike 2:14 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
I'm not sure disciplinarian type managers work now with these overpaid cunts but someone is needed and quick to get these fuckers in line and earning their money, rather than strolling about as if they're playing in a testimonial

the exile 2:08 Mon Oct 23
Re: For once statistics don't lie
Yes, I saw that and have to admit, it's not a surprise. But what I am unsure about is whether it's due to a lack of fitness or a lack of effort. I think it's more likely to be the latter, which has to be down to the manager. Time and again we see our midfielders casually jogging back when the opposition are attacking. MotD highlighted Obiang and Masuaku for this but it often applies to Kouyate and especially Antonio. If the players are not putting the effort in for the team there is something badly wrong with the management. Bilic has to go. Don't fanny around waiting for the right replacement. Just fucking get rid.

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