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Q: 2017/18 Watford (a)
a. Moyes first game & like the postman he'll deliver, win.
45%
  
b. A tough first game for Moyes it'll be a test alright & I expect a point, draw.
23%
  
c. Different day and it'll be the same shit, lose.
13%
  
d. We should be pleaed the football's back but after the last humiliation and the Board's ineptitude, my passion for WHU has been sucked out of me
15%
  
e. I can't wait me, I'm our biggest fan and once again will be down the Rub a Dub kitted out and belting out David Moysie's Blue & Claret Army, I know all the songs me
4%
  



steveiron64 9:03 Mon Oct 23
Penalty - I think he meant it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41728826

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Grumpster 4:56 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
That is proper mental.

And it says the chap who took the next pen missed, so was the winning goal!

Razzle 4:53 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
law 6 is The other Match Officials

Law 8 The Start and Restart of play

Law 10 Determining the outcome

Kicks from the penalty mark " The kick is completed when the ball stops moving, goes out of play or the referee stops play for any offence; the kicker may not play the ball a second time"

Westside 4:31 Tue Oct 24
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Penalty shoot out law 6.

Each kicker can kick the ball only once per attempt. Once kicked, the kicker may not play the ball again.

penalty shoot out, law 8.

A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the crossbar, without touching any player, official, or outside agent other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick.

This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Goal was awarded.

gph 4:08 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
The rules for penalties in shoot-out have to be different.
You don't see players scoring from the keeper saving the shot but spilling the ball at their feet, do you? But that often happens in normal play.

Nor do they interrupt the shoot-out and wait until the ball goes out of play if the keeper saves it in such a way that ball ends up in the middle of the pitch

Razzle 3:54 Tue Oct 24
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Westside 1:42 Tue Oct 24

Razzle 3:53 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
Excerpt from Law 14 "The penalty kick is completed when the ball stops moving, goes out of play or the referee stops play for any infringement of the Laws"

Kearley 3:09 Tue Oct 24
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Sniper

Thanks for that. I didn't know they had changed the rule.

I can't see how that is for the better though.

Sniper 1:45 Tue Oct 24
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Actualky, technically would there not be a brief moment where, when the ball rebounds off the post or bar, it does stop moving before it goes back the other way...

I'm shit at physics so probably not

Westside 1:42 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
Law 14 (penalty kicks) states "The penalty kick is completed when the ball stops moving, goes out of play or the referee stops play for any offence."

So the goal in the clip should stand, as should a rebound off the post, onto the goal keeper into the goal.

Sniper 1:39 Tue Oct 24
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Kearly

The ball being dead when the initial forward motion of the ball stops was certainly the case when I did my refs exam in the 90s. However The forward motion rule was removed in 2004 I think - there was a penalty at Euro 2008 (Holland I think) where the ball hit the post and hit the back of the goalie and went in and I remember thinking what a huge fuck up the ref had made in going it (how can you have an og in a shootout?!) but when I looked it up it showed it had been altered

Personally I think it's a ridiculous change - goals like the one in the clip, although brilliant in their ridiculousness, shoukd be counted as a miss

The Stoat 1:22 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
Been done before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYCGjkqbOE

Robson 12:54 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
That's incredible. As is the name of the guy who filmed it.

I doubt the keeper is too worried, as they went on to win (if I've understood the poorly worded text commentary correctly)

Westside 12:51 Tue Oct 24
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
here was once a case in a world cup (maybe '82?) where the ball hit the post, bounced out and hit the keeper on the back and went in. The ref gave a goal. Not sure what the rules were at the time, but now it should go down as a miss

It would still be a goal. The rules were clarified after the France Brazil penalty, to state in those circumstances it is a goal. As long as the goal is scored,as a result of the initial forward motion of the ball, the goal stands.

Lily Hammer 12:22 Tue Oct 24
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Kearley 11:38 Tue Oct 24

Are you sure? I thought the ball is alive while still moving, as long as it isn't touched a second time by the penalty taker.

The penalty taker in this case could so easily have fucked this by kicking the ball away in frustration when it landed right next to him.

Mad Dog 12:09 Tue Oct 24
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Thought it was France v Brazil 86 when it hit post the n keeper then in

Willtell 12:05 Tue Oct 24
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I've seen that clip in an advert somewhere i think?

Kearley 11:38 Tue Oct 24
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Shouldn't have counted.

In a penalty shootout, the ball is dead as soon as it stops moving forward.

there was once a case in a world cup (maybe '82?) where the ball hit the post, bounced out and hit the keeper on the back and went in. The ref gave a goal. Not sure what the rules were at the time, but now it should go down as a miss.

gph 9:13 Mon Oct 23
Re: Penalty - I think he meant it.
That's got to be one of the funniest football clips in existence.

I bet even the goalkeeper's side's fans laugh at the replay, even if they were gutted at the time.





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