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Q: 2017/18 Watford (a)
a. Moyes first game & like the postman he'll deliver, win.
38%
  
b. A tough first game for Moyes it'll be a test alright & I expect a point, draw.
18%
  
c. Different day and it'll be the same shit, lose.
25%
  
d. We should be pleaed the football's back but after the last humiliation and the Board's ineptitude, my passion for WHU has been sucked out of me
15%
  
e. I can't wait me, I'm our biggest fan and once again will be down the Rub a Dub kitted out and belting out David Moysie's Blue & Claret Army, I know all the songs me
3%
  



charleyfarley 9:16 Mon Nov 6
Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
David Moyes and his dour demeanour at West Ham? It is a diseased club where players use the stadium as an excuse for tame displays while selling Dimitri Payet has proven catastrophic
David Moyes may replace Slaven Bilic at West Ham until the end of the season

After Saturday's 4-1 loss to Liverpool, West Ham are 18th with nine points from 11
Pundits slated West Ham for a lack of effort - it has been the case for 16 months
By Martin Samuel - Sport for the Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 22:30, 5 November 2017 | UPDATED: 01:17, 6 November 2017

Mark Noble looked for a pass, in vain. He looked for a run, and none came. He searched for a team-mate willing to take responsibility, and drew a final blank. With two Liverpool players on his tail, he ran out of pitch and took the ball into touch.

He turned in frustration to the other claret shirts. 'Hey,' Noble shouted. 'Someone want the f****** ball!'

This is the malaise that David Moyes has to address, if the West Ham job is his. This is the mood of despair he must lift, the attitude he must banish. Moyes, with his dour, hangdog demeanour; his perceived air of caution. He must get them up, before they drag him down. It is hardly a match made in heaven.

And that is before Moyes takes the temperature of the locals, whose reaction to his impending arrival is lukewarm at best. Fan forums are notoriously volatile beasts but when 'Moyes Out' is running as a thread before the man is even appointed — with 400 plus votes before 10am on Sunday — it hardly bodes well for the honeymoon period.

Perhaps this is why there has been talk of cold feet, of West Ham's board seeing the backlash on social media and, shocked, considering alternates. What a club this is, too in thrall to Twitter and vox pops. Whether Moyes is the right fit or not, shouldn't his prospective employers at least have the courage of their convictions, if he is their man?

After all, the case against Moyes is frequently voiced and straightforward. His qualities are largely historic. He did well at Everton — without winning trophies, unless fourth place is counted — and his teams were efficiently organised.

Yet he disappointed given his big break at Manchester United, and he took Sunderland into the Championship with a team that was little more than a shower. They looked, at times, very much like West Ham on Saturday. Frightened individuals, without the heart for the battle — and Moyes was singularly unable to inspire them, with his negative pronouncements masquerading as realism.

'I'd be kidding if I said the players we are going to bring in will make a big difference,' Moyes said during the last January transfer window. 'We probably couldn't get that level of player.' Unsurprisingly, results did not improve.

West Ham's players have greater quality than Moyes's Sunderland team, but without effort it is meaningless. The defeat that looks to have brought Slaven Bilic's time to an end was marked by its carelessness. Not just in the many mistakes but in a general absence of character. Players did not work hard enough, were not alarmed by their predicament, or that of their doomed manager.

The ex-professionals commenting from the television studio — Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Steve McManaman — were appalled, but those who have followed West Ham through much of the previous 16 months will barely have raised an eyebrow.

Those who have followed West Ham closely for over a year have seen that level too often

For the last 12 months, West Ham's travails have been blamed on the London Stadium


If anything, they were worse against Liverpool in the same fixture at the end of last season.

This team have been lucky in many ways. For a year, they have hidden behind the move to the new stadium as an excuse for tame performances. Yet it isn't the stadium that covers less ground than any team in the Premier League, it isn't the stadium that makes fewest sprints.

The penny has dropped with the supporters now. Some may still blame the move away from Upton Park, but the majority understand this runs far deeper. The London Stadium merely gives an excuse to players whose greatest exertion is spent looking for one. They are hiding behind its concrete shell to cover an abdication of responsibility. West Ham have won one league game away since February 4.

This isn't just about home form. Mark Schwarzer — 10 years a Premier League goalkeeper — said he was recently in conversation with Joe Hart. At Manchester City, Hart said, when he got the ball he had 10 outfield options for a pass. Everyone wanted it.

At West Ham, that was reduced to three or four brave souls. He may have needed to round down even that slender figure on Saturday. Hart would collect the ball, search fruitlessly for available feet — and then clutch it ever more tightly to his chest.

Noble was an honourable exception, even if the fans no longer seem to appreciate it. Manuel Lanzini has quality in his game, although he is no Dimitri Payet. As for the rest, for the most part they were hiding. If they got the ball, they dumped it in haste, without a thought beyond self-preservation. Bilic's successor will be coming to another diseased football club. In Moyes's case, he has only just left one in Sunderland.

The decision to sell Payet has been, as predicted, catastrophic. Now that the going rate for a good full back is more than £50million, accepting half for the most productive midfield player in English football sits among the worst pieces of business in history.

Even double that would not replace what Payet brought to West Ham. In 2016, he created 144 Premier League chances. The next best was Christian Eriksen with 116.

Five players aside — Eriksen, Mesut Ozil, Kevin De Bruyne, Alexis Sanchez and David Silva — Payet made double or more the chances of anyone in the competition, and more than any player at Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool in that time.

With three days of the transfer window to go, to sell him on the cheap was a dismal and costly call; and West Ham have not recovered from it.

Joe Hart regularly finds himself with few options for a pass when he gets the ball at West Ham
Selling Dimitri Payet - one of the league's most creative players - has been catastrophic

Still, if Bilic is sacked, whoever is next will never have known the fillip of Payet in midfield, so may not be dragged down by his absence the way the current regime has been. Maybe they all came to rely on him too much and became blinded to the weaknesses of the rest of the group. Maybe Payet's match-winning brilliance made team-mates lazy, too.

Bilic looks set to be the fall guy, but this is not all his fault. He has been undermined almost from the start of the season once owner David Sullivan outed him as the man who did not want Renato Sanches, and others, on loan — just at the time the board were being criticised for failing to secure William Carvalho from Sporting Lisbon.

In the last season of his contract, Bilic has looked increasingly adrift, and his players no longer respond to him. Will the same group respond to Moyes if he is handed only a short-term contract?

What is the difference? What would such a move say, other than the new manager is a stopgap, until a better option comes along? Why would anyone take the job on that basis, and why would that manager command respect?

Bilic has looked increasingly adrift at West Ham and his players no longer respond to him

West Ham fans have often streamed out early from the London Stadium due to bad displays

West Ham's buys are a mish-mash, the investment — given player sales —– below what was promised after the move to the new stadium. Many will view the proposed appointment of Moyes the same way.

An inexpensive short-term fix, a firefighter there to organise and stave off relegation, rather than make the great leap forward that was meant to come on departing Upton Park.

If he does that, it will buy him some time, and maybe a permanent position. If he doesn't, there will no longer be enough fans inside the London Stadium at the beginning, to stream out as usual long before the end.

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stewie griffin 9:55 Tue Nov 7
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Much better articles from Ian WRIGHT and Neil ASHTON in the Sun today.

To paraphrase both, 'the owners are cunts'.

Willtell 9:54 Tue Nov 7
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
It is a diseased club. It needs an amputation of the owners...

normannomates 2:42 Tue Nov 7
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Is this the same cunt jouno low life that laps up the corporate freebies.
Ditto Lee Clayron.

Hammer and Pickle 9:30 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
'tis the age to be gulled.

, 9:28 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
We live in an age where people are gulled, willingly, into believing almost anything. To really believe that We could and should have got £50M is truly delusional. If Payet had been worth that amount there would have been a queu of top clubs willing to pick him up at half the price. There were’nt.

chim chim cha boo 9:23 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Who offered fifty million for him?

Iron2010 9:17 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
The Payet point stands that we sold a player worth 50 million in August for 25 million in January.

chim chim cha boo 9:04 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
'The decision to sell Payet has been, as predicted, catastrophic. Now that the going rate for a good full back is more than 50million, accepting half for the most productive midfield player in English football sits among the worst pieces of business in history'.

No you rotund, bearded cunt- the worst bit of business ever would have been to refuse to let him go, refuse to play him and nosedive into this exact current position with a world-beating midfielder swanning around in the south of France in his Lambo spending the hundred-and-fifty-grand a week you were still paying him.

Say what you like about the board (and fuck knows I do too) but you can't use the Payet situation as a stick to hit them with. What they did with his transfer money is something to get the raving hump about.

There MUST be a fuckload of season ticket holders who simply won't bother going if Moyes gets appointed? It will be interesting if the board invoke that 'don't go for 7 games and we'll take your seat off you and give it to someone else on the waiting list' clause they craftily sneaked into the season ticket rules.

Bilic HAD to go (as much as I loved him as a player and a person) but if they appoint Moyes I think I'd see it as the absolute low-point of 45 years supporting West Ham.

So THANKS YOU FUCKING CUNTS UPSTAIRS.

Hammer and Pickle 8:58 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
"Whenever I talk about football to non-West Ham supporters I laugh at or mock their team. Always and without exception."

Do you talk to many people, Zero?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 8:34 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Whenever I talk about football to non-West Ham supporters I laugh at or mock their team. Always and without exception.

So when I hear that West Ham are 'a laughing stock amongst other fans', I usually take it with a nice big pinch of salt followed by a flagon of foaming bovvered and rounded off with a very tasty Supremely Self-Assured thin mint. I certainly never take it as being fact and I have never heard of anyone else believing it unless they wished to believe it true for some reason.

Mex Martillo 8:27 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Shit article, waste of time reading that crap

kirok1 7:58 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Decent article, although the Payet scenario is debatable. After all, the money grubbing git said they’d let him down over promises to invest. On that, he was correct.
Noble is rightly criticised by some but when no one moves forward, or makes themselves available, he’s screwed. He looked better with Payet because there were options. With this shower of shit, it’s Lanzini, or nothing.
Other fans are laughing at us. They’re also laughing at the idea of Moyes getting us out of this shit.
The whole attitude and lack of acceptance of their role, makes both players and board look what they are. A fucking joke.

zico 7:35 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
He is right about Noble though. I saw him berating players for not wanting the ball. I know his legs have gone but you can't knock Noble for giving 100%, pity the others can't follow suit. I thought what was most disgraceful was on Liverpool's first goal Fernandez didn't just bottle the challenge but Noble overtook him on the chase back!! If Noble outsprints you you just ain't trying!!!

One McAvennieeeeee 7:22 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Someone please stop him talking about Football.

Please.

, 7:21 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Listen up you two droogs, the only people who consider us a laughing stock are WHU fans with an agenda. How interesting that you two who never even go to games hold to this laughing stock shtick.

Private Dancer 7:19 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Stop talking shit you cunt. We ARE a laughing stock. Who the fuck moves into a supposed new dawn, a huge stadium, promises of a great future ahead and then ends up in the bottom 3 and then appoints David fucking Moyes on a 6 month deal in the hope of finishing 17th. And you don't think people are laughing??

Northern Sold 7:18 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Not often I side with Dancer but you must be blind of deaf if you think we ain't a laughing stock at the moment comma... either that or mental

, 7:13 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
PD, you need to unplug yourself from your latest ladyboy and speak to people in meat space. There you will find many people who have no concerns about WHU and do not even contemplate whether or not we could be a laughing stock.

Private Dancer 7:09 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
'We do not have a disease and we are not a laughing stock''


I think we are. When I chat to fans of clubs they basically think we're a fucking joke, and they are laughing.

, 7:04 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
Blagg, we are not the only club like this there are other clubs with similar, or even better pasts than us. Bolton, Blackburn, Villa, Wolves and Forest have all been clubs at least as big us us but look where they are now.

What I find annoying is not so much the denigration of our club by the media as much as the way some on here seem to welcome it and wallow in it.

We do not have a disease and we are not a laughing stock and fans need to get all this into perspective.

Billy Blagg 6:56 Mon Nov 6
Re: Martin Samuels article - West Ham a diseased club
, 10:59 Mon Nov 6

That might be true if this was a blip in an otherwise stellar history Comma, but it's not. The Manager, Board, Players change but this has been going on for decades.

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