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J.Riddle 2:11 Wed Jan 3
3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
When we play a back four we always seem to defend badly so many say we should play a back three. We were losing first half so Moyes changed it to a flat back four and we turned it around. So what's best with the shite defenders available to us?

Many (hands up including me) have also been saying to never play Carroll as we always hoof it up to him and we change the way we play. Looks like Carroll will be starting the next game after his goals. Seems like he always plays a blinder then can't keep it going so expecting similar?

What say all ye olde wise WHOERS?

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Mex Martillo 3:24 Wed Jan 3
Re: 3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
What ever the reason defensive cover from midfield or poor defensive unit, it has been clearly shown that both under Bilic and Moyes we are best with 3 center backs and 2 wing backs. I think it also has a lot to do with the changing game, which is getting faster with whole team moving forward to attack or dropping back to defend. We are not the only team doing this. I like that Moyes went to a back 4 for the last 15 mins to bring on another forward to give us another body up front to force a goal. I especially liked that it worked and we won. I am getting to like Moyes more and more.

Alex V 2:12 Wed Jan 3
Re: 3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
On last night, we only changed to a back four in the last 15 minutes. Just checked that we had less of the ball and ran even on shots during this period.

I think a back four is what we should be aiming to use, but I don't think we're anywhere near solid enough to rely on it yet. The back three is shoring up a poor defensive unit.

Alex V 2:04 Wed Jan 3
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>>> we've been forced to play a back five because the central midfield is so poor

I don't agree. We went to a back five because the centre-backs were playing so poorly and Zabaleta is such a liability at full-back. It helps Masuaku too.

DukeofDevo 2:02 Wed Jan 3
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If Reid displays the same hesitancy that he did last night, against Spurs it'll cost us goals. It nearly did with Rondons chip onto the roof of the net, a better player would have made it.

Don't know what was going through Reids head the ball was his!

Carroll won't start he's knackered, Arnie to take the strikers role with maybe Ayew on in the wide role that Arnie was in last night.

Noble to definitely start maybe with Rice or Obiang

It's going to be interesting. It will be nice if we can get something out of this.

franksfat&slow&wank 11:28 Wed Jan 3
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Carroll can't start tomorrow he'd be injured again
Get Hernandez up top
Rice in the middle with noble

Willtell 11:25 Wed Jan 3
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Reid and Ogbonna are not good enough defenders to play as a pairing.

gph 10:56 Wed Jan 3
Re: 3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
Andy Carroll is actually ill-suited for the hoofball game, as he hasn't got the pace to get to balls which aren't played particularly close to him, or close down and bully defenders who get there first. Arnautovic and Antonio are much better at doing that.

He needs the ball to be played TO him, not just in his general direction.

stewie griffin 10:47 Wed Jan 3
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"Carroll should only really be getting on the end of balls into the box and defending the odd corner. Anything else should be left to footballers. "

In fairness, Andy Carroll is a better footballer than at least one and maybe two of our central midfielders. That's partly why he does come deep to get the ball.

master 10:02 Wed Jan 3
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Can't believe some are saying he's taking it down on his chest as some kind of 'tactic'.

It's obvious he can't jump from a standing start as his knees injuries don't allow for it. He's fine coming from a run, like for hid first goal, but that has a tendency to make him leap with little control and with his elbows out.

From goal kicks he is always either getting beaten or out of control.

whu4eva 8:44 Wed Jan 3
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Cresswell as a back 3 is supposed to transition into a back 4 with the ball when we attack at times but he is turning the ball over causing problems

If we play back 3 we need a ball playing central defender a-la oxford / rice and give them the chance next to 2 defenders.

Cresswell and Byram need to be wingbacks with a strong holding midfielder who is a leader / doninates.

We don’t have this at the moment and feel the central midfield / defence is weak because of this.

cholo 8:40 Wed Jan 3
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There's no point in hoofing it up to Carroll, because either his hold up play is no good or no one is ever close enough to him for it to have an effect. Rondon's hold up play on the other hand was at times very good, but it was Carroll getting on the end of chances that made the difference.

Carroll needs to stop being impatient and coming deep to get involved, likewise fans have to be more patient (with him) and not moan if Carroll hasn't been involved for a while. Ideally, Carroll should only really be getting on the end of balls into the box and defending the odd corner. Anything else should be left to footballers.

Alex Bunbury 7:45 Wed Jan 3
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I think the current squad is better suited to a three. That way we can get Lanzini a little bit further forward centrally and two up front, however, for this we need another option on the right as Zabaleta is not a wing back. Maybe Byram if he can ever stay fit.

DukeofDevo 3:43 Wed Jan 3
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Carroll looked knackered at the end of the match, I'll be amazed if his legs have recovered in time to start Thursday We need another performance to equal the Chelsea and Stoke games, which is Arnie having a free role up front

Roll on Thursday

HairyHammer 3:12 Wed Jan 3
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Actually I would not be surprised if Carroll does not start the game. I think the clever thing would be to play someone who will contribute to the donkey side of the game someone who will defend from the front or knowing Moyes Middle to middle ish.
Hernandez maybe though sadly it might be Ayew who is not that great at defending if he is not interested, although he can surprise us all sometimes.

HairyHammer 3:07 Wed Jan 3
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I prefer three but what difference does it make , the way West ham defend 8 at the back would make little difference as they become invisible and the ball just goes through them they just look like a clutter of defenders when a decent cross comes in and sometimes even when a average cross comes .
If West ham could defend correctly 4 would be the correct number.

J.Riddle 2:39 Wed Jan 3
Re: 3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
geep agreed, Carroll doesn't get great service from our average players to be fair, but I was referring to our general play where most of our players are all to aware and see a big 6ft 5" lump up top then take the easy way out by hoofing it up to him which often results in giving away possession cheaply.

Mike I agree with all of that, we desperately need quality central midfielders and quick.

Takashi Miike 2:17 Wed Jan 3
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we've been forced to play a back five because the central midfield is so poor, if we can strengthen that we may get away with a back four and then we may start playing some better football. I'm not sure a ball winner is the be all and end all, more important is players who are comfortable in possession and don't give the ball away

gph 2:16 Wed Jan 3
Re: 3 or 4 at the back..Carroll to start and hoof it up to him??
Neither of his goals came from hoofing it up to him.

Both from crosses, one in the air and one on the floor.





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