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Gavros 8:33 Tue Jan 9
Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released
This looks big.....there' an FBI informer within Trump's inner circle...

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ironsofcanada 11:03 Mon Jan 21
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Capitol Man 1:32 Mon Jan 21

I have answered your first question a number of times, my last post for instance.

"Disaster?" Anyone can use the word. I have taken an individual who tries to insultingly harangue others to force them into his views, taken him and allowed him into make numerous factual errors and then make credibility-mangling, contradictory statements about American media. Rather than any disaster, I think it has been a good couple weeks for internet debate, if only in one tiny corner of it.

I have also further exposed a worrying transfer of one's emotional agency to Donald Trump, which maybe the individual can see and move away from, if even just a little.

This is why I oppose censorship as a principle, let bad views and practice out into the harsh light of debate and eventually they are exposed for the contractions they are.

I do have a problem with the abandonment of journalistic standards and the forsaking of values when we don't like the person in power. If that is my problem, I hope these extended exchanges have in some tiny way exposed and even remedied that.

Thank you Capitol.

mashed in maryland 8:55 Mon Jan 21
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Reading back its quite clear what's happened here.

Cappy has spent the best part of the last 2 years accusing everyone he's arguing with of believing everything they read on "alt right websites"/Breitbart/RT.

Ioc returned the favour by saying Cappy should stop listening to TYT.

Cappy then goes ballistic at the absolute nerve of ioc to dare make such an assumption about him, even if he's been making exactly the same sort of baseless allegation since forever.

Great stuff.

Coffee 7:14 Mon Jan 21
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Tex, I've never thought of you as a left-wing pipsqueak.

mashed in maryland 7:10 Mon Jan 21
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If you find it boring don't read it?

PistonHammered 6:46 Mon Jan 21
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I take another peek and it’s the IOC/Cap show.
Fuck me you’re tedious, boring cunts and a solid cure for insomnia!

And now the other left wing pipsqueak Texas is piping up..... fuck! this site is boring.

It’s easy to see when only two people post! I think they’ve bored everyone off the site!

Texas Iron 6:12 Mon Jan 21
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ll Giuliani is a highly-paid buffoon he's just a mouthpiece spouting Trump's insults denying everything and changing his tune when when it fancies him master of obfuscation and doubles speak

🤡🤡🤡😟

Capitol Man 4:20 Mon Jan 21
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Guiliani now saying talks on Moscow project went on until November.

Capitol Man 1:33 Mon Jan 21
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Willtell 6:40 Sun Jan 20
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Some sad, old, failed tosser over-compensating for his inadequacies by bullshitting on the internet.

You just try too hard you desperate old cunt.

Capitol Man 1:32 Mon Jan 21
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ironsofcanada 11:45 Sun Jan 20
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Why won’t you answer the question? Been a bit of a disaster for you hasn’t it.

Simple question on the central theme of the thread and you can’t bring yourself to answer it.

Does it not even strike you as being indicative of your problem.

Nutsin 10:32 Sun Jan 20
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Will,

It’s funny how the fucking Idiots constantly bite on every fake news story that pops up..... such a bunch of fuckwits!

IOC, Will is right, these Mongs won’t be told, they are all stuck on stupid! You’re wasting your time mate.

Willtell 6:40 Sun Jan 20
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Well said IOC. I don't know why you bother with lost causes. He has anti-Trump OCD and until he realises what an idiot he is there's no cure for him!

ironsofcanada 11:45 Sun Jan 20
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Capitol Man 4:08 Sun Jan 20

"You are on a thread about Trump. Let’s talk about Trump. Don’t worry about whether i’m Too concerned about trump. Answer the questions about trump on the thread about Trump."

I was concerned before about amount Trump occupies your thoughts, this post, honestly, worries me at new real level.
Trump seemingly being the most important thing ever to you has warped your understanding of history to the point you were making consistent factual errors, you have lied on here for internet debate, and it as led you to make wildly contradictory statements about current media.

Case in point:

"Nor do all the right wing sites you visit
...apparently every other right wing site"

You have some pretty specific knowledge of what right wing sites contain (a lot more than I do).

This knowledge juxtaposed with your admitted ignorance of a prominent progressive site, would again really make any comments you made about the American media highly suspect.

Capitol Man 4:38 Sun Jan 20

Again, mate you can give bellowing commands on the internet all you want. I don't have to give any heed for a lot of reasons.

You have not answered why you apparently know the true impact of The Young Turks and yet are ignorant of them at the same time.
So I don't owe you the courtesy of answering your questions.

Even if I did feel obligation there, I still would not because I have told you : I don't think it is right to do so.

Thank goodness people like your self can't force others into changing what they feel is good conduct in regards to one of the major checks and balances of the American system.

Capitol Man 4:38 Sun Jan 20
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‘My position is not inconsistent with the political value of judicial review.”

Do you even begin to get how stupid that point is?

Unless you are presiding over the case you are allowed to possess an opinion. You are clearly interested enough to keep returning here.

You just won’t answer the question because once you do then you can’t make it about the media or an over-reaction. “Sour grapes” was how putin put it wasn’t it?.

“Core value of our western system” - get over yourself and answer the fucking question.

Capitol Man 4:08 Sun Jan 20
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ironsofcanada 3:59 Sun Jan 20
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Come on now. Answer the question. You’ve posted hundreds of times about trump on this thread and you can’t answer that simple question.

But this gets to the point doesn’t it. You don’t want to talk about Trump. Nor do all the right wing sites you visit. You want to talk about the reactions to Trump.

You didn’t want to talk about the Gillette ad. You, and apparently every other right wing site, wanted to talk about young Turks.

And you have no clue how you’ve been manipulated to that point do you.

You are on a thread about Trump. Let’s talk about Trump. Don’t worry about whether i’m Too concerned about trump. Answer the questions about trump on the thread about Trump.

ironsofcanada 3:59 Sun Jan 20
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Capitol Man 3:53 Sun Jan 20

I know my repetition of the Young Turks thing seems to shake you into this and this your way of getting back

But your position on the Young Turks was internally ridiculous and its ignorance called into question a whole lot of what you have said.

My position is not inconsistent with the political value of judicial review.

It is a pretty clear difference and repeating it makes you look like you want to brush aside a core value of our Western system.

So again we can carry on tomorrow. It make you look much worse than me.

Capitol Man 3:57 Sun Jan 20
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ironsofcanada 3:51 Sun Jan 20
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You get that politics doesn’t just stop while a legal process is conducted? And that news doesn’t exist in a vacuum where nothing happens until things are decided.

Just admit to yourself that you can’t answer the questions because once you do the steaming pile of bullshit you’ve built comes down.

Capitol Man 3:53 Sun Jan 20
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Canada

Did he Russians conduct an attack on he American elections of 2016?

Come on now. You can do it. Answer the question.

ironsofcanada 3:51 Sun Jan 20
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Capitol Man 3:42 Sun Jan 20

Do courts normalize crime?

But I guess I do get to normalize this because I don't have to make those determinations until I know as many of the facts as possible.

You want to I get that, I think it part of an irresponsible use of the media and the knowledge you do have.

Trying to move to this again does not change the couple things we have been arguing about.

Capitol Man 3:48 Sun Jan 20
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Again Canada

Did Russia attack the American elections?

Was trump perusing multi billion dollar project up at least iuntilmthe summer of 2016?

Did Cohen lie about it to congress?

And why won’t you answer these simple questions?

Capitol Man 3:42 Sun Jan 20
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ironsofcanada 3:21 Sun Jan 20
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Canada - answer the questions.

Stop avoiding them.

You don’t get to normalize this.

ironsofcanada 3:34 Sun Jan 20
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Sorry I guess my point is I am decently media savvy, I know basically what is going on. I have my views and bias, but won't deny something if it is proved. We are in media res on this, I have been here before (whether this is much more serious or not) and know I can't judge because as much I could read (and I did back then) I don't know everything. Need to wait for some real conclusions.

Browbeating me with this mixture of facts and speculation, decent media and some garbage, is not going to change that.

I will stay a bit for your thoughts but need to go to bed soon and will read what you got in the morning if that is the case.

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