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Gavros 8:33 Tue Jan 9
Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released
This looks big.....there' an FBI informer within Trump's inner circle...

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Nutsin 4:27 Mon Jun 18
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Cap Man

Thank you, that means a lot coming from you.

Capitol Man 1:13 Mon Jun 18
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Nutsin 12:25 Mon Jun 18
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Your view on this is a great measure of you as a man.

You didn’t do well. Not well at all.

Westham67 12:54 Mon Jun 18
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, 12:43 Mon Jun 18

Comma. Maybe I used the wrong words to express my disgust for Muslim rape gangs

Westham67 12:50 Mon Jun 18
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Nutsin

This from ABC news realtively neutral and if you read in depth these are thef acts

Seperating Children from their parents is not a law in itself its a practice within the law which Trump is using

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-fact-check-trump-assails-dems-migrant-policy-55938909

President Donald Trump won't take responsibility for the consequences of an immigration policy that is separating children from parents who are arrested for illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. He persists in blaming a "Democrat" law for driving families apart, though no such law exists.

In remarks to reporters and in an interview with Fox News, he held firm to a contention he's made, falsely and for weeks, holding Democrats responsible for splitting up migrant families.

TRUMP on Friday:

"The Democrats forced that law upon our nation. I hate it. I hate to see separation of parents and children."

"I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That's their law."

"That's the Democrats' law. We can change it tonight. We can change it right now."

"That's a Democrat bill. That's Democrats wanting to do that and they could solve it very easily by getting together."

"That's the law and that's what the Democrats gave us and we're willing to change it today if they want to get in and negotiate but they just don't want to negotiate."

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

, 12:43 Mon Jun 18
Re: Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released
Whatever makes you think that being left of centre means that you condone grooming and rape [ of any sort ]?

Westham67 12:41 Mon Jun 18
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Nutsin

Yes I am concerned about Muslim rape gangs, this lefty swings to the right on this issue

I doubt MS13 would bring their kids with them to cross the border into the US, I would say they have more sophisticated channels

MS 13 evolved in El Salvador due to the mess the US created backing a Military Junta

Nutsin 12:38 Mon Jun 18
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According to Democrat Texas Rep Henry Cuellar, The Children migrant crisis has been an issue for years and was kept quiet by the Obama admin.

In 2013 the HHS office of refugee resettlement held over 25000 kids separated from their parents in over 80 separate shelters.

This year there’s about 10,000.

Nutsin 12:25 Mon Jun 18
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Me Tumble

I agree, horrible separating kids from their parents...

Certainly not good for America. Hopefully the Democrats will agree with the Republicans and make the necessary change in Congress. Time to stop politicking and get shit sorted.

Texas Iron 12:06 Mon Jun 18
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Nuts...
How will OrangeTan Reform solve this problem...
It can be sorted very easily by quick reversal of Separation Policy enacted by Sick Sessions...

Texas Iron 12:03 Mon Jun 18
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67...
OrangeTan lying as usual...and using kids to play politics...blaming Dems...
Sessions defined and implemented the separation POLICY...
It's not in the Law...
Vunts

Mr Tumble 11:54 Sun Jun 17
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Nothing to do with politics nor who started it. It is an abuse of some very basic human rights and appalling behaviour to separate children. Again before you start going on about who and when I don't give a flying fuck about any of that and the US has every right to protect it's border just don't treat children like criminals. That is just not acceptable and isn't MAGA. The President has all the power to stop this and he should show some compassion even if others haven't. Just makes US look like fucking cunts imho.

Nutsin 11:46 Sun Jun 17
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Mr Tumble

This has been going on for some time. It happened when Obama was in the whitehouse but was kept quiet of course just like all the deportations were and all the Muslims blown to bits with US missiles and US policy.

This is now being exposed because the Dems are politicking as usual. Trump wants to put Immigration reform in place that will stop all this but of course that would be another win for Trump and you can’t have that can you!

Mr Tumble 11:31 Sun Jun 17
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Really. I mean fuck the politics and the US has every right to stop illegal immigration but separating children and locking them up like criminals is just inhumane regardless. Not sure who else did this in recent history.

Nutsin 11:05 Sun Jun 17
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Cap Man and 67

If only you two were so concerned about all the young children getting groomed, drugged, drunk and raped by gangs of Pakistanis all over the UK.

Or the people being barbarically slaughtered by MS 13 on the streets of the USA.

There’s a simple solution to the problem, if you don’t want to be separated from your child don’t enter the USA illegally.

Westham67 4:52 Sun Jun 17
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Wanderlust 4:45 Sun Jun 17

In 3 Words, No fuck off hahahaha

Westham67 4:51 Sun Jun 17
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CM

Trump holding kids hostage for his wall, despicable piece of shit

Wanderlust 4:45 Sun Jun 17
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Don't you just love quality political debates that discuss the issues without resorting to petty squabbles and personal insults....

Capitol Man 4:20 Sun Jun 17
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Nutsin 5:08 Sat Jun 16
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Shouldn’t you be out making America great again NoNuts. Maybe go take some toddlers away from their mothers. Your expertise is needed at the border.

Westham67 1:12 Sun Jun 17
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Shut up Nutcunt you dick head if you believe the proven serial liar Trump and his mouthpiece media outlets the that makes you a gullible prick.

Hopefully one day you will come to your senses an realise you have been mugged off by Trump

Nutsin 5:08 Sat Jun 16
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67

No-one gives a fuck where you get your news from mate.
You’re constantly a day late and a dollar short as well as being proven to be wrong. You are completely clueless, you might want to find a news source that gets something right for a change.

HairyHammer 4:04 Sat Jun 16
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Willtell

Arrogant abrasiveness ? that is what Bush had, Trump thinks he is God there is quite a big difference.
Willtell Trump had an interview yesterday where he spoke about himself and what he had supposedly achieved, and shamelessly he lied several times the man is a putz, although I think I would rather have him than Pence which is exactly why his nutter fascist mate Steve Bannon advised Trump to put him there.

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