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Gavros 8:33 Tue Jan 9
Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released
This looks big.....there' an FBI informer within Trump's inner circle...

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Capitol Man 6:28 Wed Dec 12
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Conspiracy law requires an agreement to commit a crime

You have the crime. Two sets of indictments against the Russian plots to defraud the us election. Once you confirm that trump, or his family, knew this was going on you then have the various incidences and attempts to obstruct justice through the lies told to Congress and the fbi, the firing of Comey, the tweets.

You also have the Russian intelligence operation, trump’s greed drawing him in, then the lies told to the fbi and congress to cover things up.

Westham67 4:15 Wed Dec 12
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It seems it is time to start thinking about the United States of America without Donald Trump. Prosecutors from the Southern District of New York have recently announced new findings regarding the U.S. president's controversial Russian investigation.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller released new court filings related to Trump-Moscow relations during the campaign period for the 2016 presidential elections in the U.S. If the evidence is true, Trump's impeachment process is likely to start soon, and he may even be sentenced to jail time.

Mueller's final report says that Trump, who had been experiencing financial hardships before the elections, received financial aid from some Russian oligarchs to complete the preparations for his much-debated campaign and cooperated with Russians to win the presidential votes.

"Obviously cannot complete [the counter-report] until we see the final Witch Hunt Report," Trump said regarding the Mueller files.

It is also argued that an associate of Trump offered a $50-million-penthouse to Russian President Vladimir Putin as a bribe before the elections, and Trump's intention to build a Trump tower in the Russian capital Moscow also backs the claims. When the finding of the Mueller investigation is evaluated as a whole, who knows, maybe this is the reason why Trump behaved strangely near Putin during the famous Helsinki summit this year.

Meanwhile, prosecutors filed a sentencing memo for Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer, regarding the case. Yet, the tolls seem to be pouring in not for Cohen but for the president himself.

Besides, there is another much-discussed topic in U.S. society. Former U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was fired with a Trump tweet, made some surprising statements last Thursday during an interview with CBS News and changed the headlines in the media.

"It's challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented ExxonMobil Corporation … to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things. But rather just kind of says, ‘Look, this is what I believe and you can try to convince me otherwise,' but most of the time you're not going to do that," Tillerson told CBS.

"He acts on his instincts, in some respects it looks like impulsiveness … But … it's not his intent to act on impulse. I think he really is trying to act on his instincts," Tillerson said and stated: "When the president would say, ‘Here's what I want to do and here's how I want to do it,' I'd have to say to him, ‘Mr. President, I understand what you want to do, but you can't do it that way. It violates the law. It violates a treaty.' You know, he got really frustrated."

Thus, Trump was forced to open his Twitter account once again.

"Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn't have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!" tweeted Trump.

At such a difficult time, however, Trump seems so relaxed that he even tweeted about the ongoing French protests as if his own country was far from domestic crises.

"The Paris Agreement isn't working out so well for Paris. Protests and riots all over France. People do not want to pay large sums of money, much to third world countries (that are questionably run), in order to maybe protect the environment. Chanting ‘We Want Trump!' Love France," Trump said on Twitter.

Nutsin 3:55 Wed Dec 12
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Here you go Ham

Ten months ago the big news was Paul Manafort flipped; that seems to have turned out to be mostly a bust, as we know now he lied like a rug to the Feds and cooperated with the Trump defense team as some sort of mole inside Mueller’s investigation (a heavily-redacted memo about Manafort’s lies, released by Mueller on Friday, adds no significant new details to the Russiagate narrative.)

George Papadopoulos has already been in and out of jail—all of two weeks— for his sideshow role. Michael Avenatti is now a woman beater who is just figuring out he’s washed up. Stormy Daniels owes Trump over $300,000 in fees after losing to him in court. There still is no pee tape. And if you don’t recall how unimportant Carter Page and Richard Gates turned out to be (or even who they are), well, there is your assessment of all the hysterical commentary that accompanied them a few headlines ago.

The big reveal of the Michael Flynn sentencing memo on Tuesday was that he will likely do no prison time. Everything of substance in the memo was redacted, so there is little insight available. If you insist on speculation, try this: it’s hard to believe that something really big and bad happened such that Flynn knew about it but still wasn’t worth punishing for it, and now, a year after he started cooperating with the government, still nobody has heard anything about whatever the big deal is. So chances are the redactions focus on foreign lobbying in the U.S.

This week’s Key to Everything is Michael Cohen, the guy who lied out of self-interest for Trump until last week when we learned he is also willing to lie, er, testify against Trump out of self-interest. If you take his most recent statements at face value, the sum is the failed negotiations to build a Trump hotel in Moscow, which went on a few months longer than was originally stated, and that we all knew about already.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York submitted a sentencing memo Friday for Cohen, recommending 42 months in jail. In a separate filing, Mueller made no term recommendation but praised Cohen for his “significant efforts to assist the special counsel’s office.” The memos reveal no new information.

Call it sleazy if you want, but looking into a real estate deal is neither a high crime nor a misdemeanor, even if it’s in Russia. Conspiracy law requires an agreement to commit a crime, not just the media declaiming that “Cohen was communicating directly with the Kremlin!” Talking about meeting Russian persons is not a crime, nor is meeting with them.

The takeaway that this was all about influence shopping by the Russkies falls flat. If Putin sought to ensnare Trump, why didn’t he find a way for the deal to actually go through? Mueller has to be able to prove actual crimes by the president, not just twist our underclothes into weekly conspiratorial knots. For fun, look here at the creative writingneeded to even suggest anything illegal. That doesn’t sound like Trump’s on thin ice with hot shoes.

Sigh. It is useful at this point of binge-watching the Mueller mini-series to go back to the beginning.

The primordial ooze for all things Russiagate is less-than-complete intelligence alleging that hackers, linked to the Russian government, stole emails from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2016. The details have never been released, no U.S. law enforcement agency has ever seen the server or scene of the crime, and Mueller’s dramatic indictments of said hackers, released as Trump met with Putin in Helsinki, will never be heard of again, or challenged in court, as none of his defendants will ever leave Russia. Meanwhile, despite contemporaneous denials of the same, is it somehow now accepted knowledge that the emails (and Facebook ads!) had some unproven major effect on the election.

The origin story for everything else, that Trump is beholden to Putin for favors granted or via blackmail, is opposition research purchased by the Democrats and carried out by an MI6 operative with complex connections into American intelligence, the salacious Steele Dossier. The FBI, under a Democratic-controlled Justice Department, then sought warrants to spy on the nominated GOP candidate for president based on evidence paid for by his opponent.

Yet the real spark was the media, inflamed by Democrats, searching for why Trump won (because it can’t be anything to do with Hillary, and “all white people and the Electoral College are racists” just doesn’t hold up). Their position was and is that Trump must have done something wrong, and Robert Mueller, despitehelping squash a Bush-era money-laundering probe, lying about the Iraq War, and flubbing the post-9/11 anthrax investigation, has been resurrected with Jedi superpowers to find it. It might be collusion with Russia or Wikileaks, or a pee tape, or taxes, packaged as hard news but reading like Game of Thrones plot speculation. None of this is journalism to be proud of, and it underlies everything Mueller is supposedly trying to achieve.

As the New York Times said in a rare moment of candor:

“From the day the Mueller investigation began, opponents of the president have hungered for that report, or an indictment waiting just around the corner, as the source text for an incantation to whisk Mr. Trump out of office and set everything back to normal again.”

The core problem—at least that we know of—is that Mueller hasn’t found a crime connected with Russiagate that someone working for Trump might have committed. His investigation to date hasn’t been a search for the guilty party—Colonel Mustard in the library—so much as a search for an actual crime, some crime, any crime. Yet all he’s uncovered so far are some old financial misdealings by Manafort and chums, payoffs to Trump’s mistresses that are not in themselvesillegal (despite what prosecutors simply assert in the Cohen sentencing report, someone will have to prove to a jury the money was from campaign funds and the transactions were “for the purpose of influencing” federal elections, not simply “protecting his family from shame”), and a bunch of people lying about unrelated matters.

And that’s the giveaway to Muller’s final report. There was no base crime as the starting point of the investigation. With Watergate, there was the break-in at Democratic National Headquarters. With Russiagate you had…Trump winning the election. (Remember too that the FBI concluded forever ago that the DNC hack crime was done by the Russians, no Mueller needed.)

Almost everything Mueller has, the perjury and lying cases, are crimes he created through the process of investigating. He’s Schrodinger’s Box: the infractions only exist when he tries to look at them. Mueller created most of his booked charges by asking questions he already knew the answers to, hoping his witness would lie and commit new crimes literally in front of him. Nobody should be proud of lying, but it seems a helluva way to contest a completed election as Trump enters the third year of his term.

Mueller’s end product, his report, will most likely claim that a lot of unsavory things went on. But it seems increasingly unlikely that he’ll have any evidence Trump worked with Russia to win the election, let alone that Trump is now under Putin’s control. If Mueller had a smoking gun, we’d be watching impeachment hearings by now.

Instead, Mueller will end up concluding that some people may have sort of maybe tried to interfere with an investigation into what turned out to be nothing, another “crime” that exists only because there was an investigation to trigger it. He’ll dump that steaming pile of legal ambiguity into the lap of the Democratic House to hold hearings on from now until global warming claims the city of Benghazi and returns it to the sea. That or the 2020 election, whichever comes first.

Nutsin 3:34 Wed Dec 12
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Trump will not survive past 2019.....I'm curious to know why he won't last?

VirginiaHam 3:25 Wed Dec 12
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Capitol Man 2:31 Wed Dec 12

Was examining the WH decor so h could decide what to change. The problem with that is Pence spent far too much time talking with Flynn.....no a good idea.

The greatest inhibitor to the GOP growing a spine and doing something about Trump may be that Pelosi would replace Pence as president.

Trump will not survive past 2019. Decisions, decisions.

Capitol Man 2:31 Wed Dec 12
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, 1:27 Wed Dec 12
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Pence was very entertaining through the whole shitshow.

Capitol Man 2:24 Wed Dec 12
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Willtell 2:02 Wed Dec 12
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What kind of limp-waisted spineless cunt do you need to be to not give a crap that Russia attacks and continues to attack the west. You sad old fucking loser.

Westham67 2:10 Wed Dec 12
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Why don't you fuck off piss head embarrassing yourself

Willtell 2:02 Wed Dec 12
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Ooooo! Comma says it so expect the opposite to be true in a while...

, 1:27 Wed Dec 12
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From the news tonight;

US President Donald Trump repeatedly threatened a government shutdown over funding for his proposed border wall in a budget row with top Democrats.

During a heated exchange with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, Mr Trump said he would be "proud" to shut down the government over border security.

Lawmakers are seeking to reach a spending deal before some government funding expires later this month.

Mr Trump has asked to include $5bn (£4bn) in the deal for border security.

I need the Trump fluffers to explain to me what has gone wrong. Not only has Trump not built the wall, this wall being one of the successes that Nutsin has lauded, but actually it appears that he is not getting Mexico to pay for it.

Whatever could have gone wrong?

Westham67 1:21 Wed Dec 12
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No evidence of collusion hahaha

Willtell 1:06 Wed Dec 12
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Hairy mate. You need to stop reaching your own conclusions about news stories. They print them to fool congenital idiots like you....

HairyHammer 12:24 Wed Dec 12
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Effective how? the man has just picked some pretty Fox tv presenter to fucking be U N Ambassador? he is about as effective as enormous piles can be in order to give someone a very comfortable shit.
Everyone he picks for a job is from Television the man is a moron he was not effective before, and is not gonna be ever.

Capitol Man 12:12 Wed Dec 12
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ironsofcanada 9:33 Tue Dec 11
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What are you even talking about?

There are systems in place to deal with this situation. Apply the rule of law. Simple as that. No one is suggesting otherwise.

Capitol Man 12:10 Wed Dec 12
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Willtell 11:45 Tue Dec 11
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I'm sure you must have had a point in there somewhere. Well, being generous, perhaps you had one. b

BRANDED 11:46 Tue Dec 11
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Are liberals Christian?

Willtell 11:45 Tue Dec 11
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What a bunch of stupid posters that make up their own truths to look like big, brace liberals while wanking themselves stupid over Trumps largely imagined failings!

You don't need to be clever to see what a cunt Trump is but you do need to be clever to appreciate that businessmen are cunts. Effective but cunts. Be careful you might melt if it's sunny tomorrow....

Nutsin 10:48 Tue Dec 11
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Fuck me, the hysteria on here is fucking comical.......

You liberal wankers keep forgetting to leave the word "Amen" off the end of your posts......Every last one of your posts is a fucking prayer........

All this bollox with Mueller, still no evidence of Collusion, all he's got is testimony from Cohen, a dodgy witness who already admitted lying to congress saying whatever he has to say to get a lighter sentence.

Mueller doesn't seem to imp[ressed with the info he got from Cohen which is why he wants him to get a long sentence.....Manafort gave him the run around and Corsi is suing him after telling him to fuck off......One might conclude that Mueller has come up with a nothing burger......

Get back to me when you have some fucking solid evidence on collusion you fucking numpties.

ironsofcanada 9:33 Tue Dec 11
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VirginiaHam 8:13 Tue Dec 11

Again Virginia, making legal assumptions because you don't like the (pre)accused is a worrying precedent.

Is a man guilty of murder because there is a charge legally filed against him? Or maybe he is only guilty if everyone "knows" he is a bad guy already?

The election is legal until is legally determined otherwise.

Don't throw away what America was founded on because you don't like one president.

Texas Iron 8:36 Tue Dec 11
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Have a laugh...Idiot Trumpy...


, 8:28 Tue Dec 11
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Post up something factual about Trump on here and shortly thereafter one of the Donald’s fluffers will post complaining about an attack.

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