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Yarmouth 8:55 Wed Jan 17
Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Mark Noble, IMO, is one of our most important players. Important – not most talented, quickest, skillful etc etc – but important.

The best sides always have a Noble type, a ‘fetcher/carrier’. Somebody who always wants the ball and makes himself available when another player has got himself into trouble and is looking for ‘an out’ to give the ball to.

He allows us to keep possession. Yes, he gives it away as well, sometimes too often which I think is why he hasn’t been an England regular, but his effectiveness is that he is an outlet for others so the team retain the ball.

He digs in and makes tackles, works hard to breaks down opposition attacks, cleans up around our box and snatches the occasional goal himself.

Pogba does it, Matic does it, Wiltshire (when fit) does it, Gerrard, Lampard jr, Scholes, Brian Robson, Souness etc etc all did it and whilst they had more overall talent than Noble, they all did it – make themselves available to retain or recover the ball, then create.

We have creative players, Obiang when he decides to play the ball forward & Lanzini, but they don’t dig in and do the job Noble does. When we had Song he did it and often him and Noble took up the same place on the pitch – they were a bit too similar and got in each others way although Song had the creative vision that Noble lacks.

I don’t know who’s in this bracket that we could attract to the club. Barclay may be the same type and it could be what Chelsea have seen in him, but I think we certainly need this type of player as he’s vital to the club moving forward.

So – any idea’s on a fetcher/carrier?

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Swiss. 5:58 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Lily Hammer

Let me re-explain I said he's was playing shit same like Payet was towards the end of his tenure not that he is shit.

I've always said he's pretty average. I do value the fact that he gets stuck in to the other players as captain as well.

the exile 5:01 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Eerie Descent 9:51 Thu Jan 18

"There are one or two in our midfield that go completely missing when we're struggling. No need to name names."


Who's being a good boy then?

Eerie Descent 5:00 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Just to clarify, not too long ago (couple of months) Alex V was saying that Kouyate was performing well and he was the least of our problems.

Now, suddenly, no one played well at the beginning of the season.

V-LOGIC

Alex V 4:35 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
El Scorchio 2:22 Thu Jan 18

That's pretty much how I felt when he played the holding role under Allardyce. Bilic came in and moved him forward and we had a great season. But this is now and not only are we struggling defensively but we often look creatively poor as well. Having a slow limited player in a creative midfield role is part of the issue imo. If we're looking for reasons why it can look so flat and lifeless at times out there, having Noble instead of a more dynamic player is a key reason for that.

He will always have the technique - he can receive the ball, settle on it and then pick out a precise pass, I'm not so convinced by this idea that he plays fast and sprays out the key passes. He's never really been that player - most of his career he's played too deep to ever do that. His best role now is knitting together the play from the back and controlling the tempo of the game, especially away from home.

I also think this could help Obiang, who for me has had loads of chances as the anchor man and simply isn't reliable enough. I'd push him on a bit more and see if he can get in the opposition faces further up the field.

Cheezey Bell-End 2:30 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
I keep reading the subject as felcher. As far as I know, he's not.

El Scorchio 2:22 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Alex V 1:56

To be fair at this point in time I don't think it matters too much where he plays in midfield as long as he does because he's the only one not afraid to show for the ball, possess it, and the only one who can make good, quick and clever passes.

It would be great to get a Kante type player to make sure he doesn't have to spend as much time defending, running back and making tackles as thats where many perceive his weaknesses lie. A really good holding player would take some of that pressure off him and free him up to be the fulcrum.

He also wouldn't have to constantly drop into the back 4 to get possession, leaving a big gap further up the pitch that the advanced players aren't clever enough to move in to and fill to give him passing optinons.

dolph 2:14 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
He's got a fucking brain for a start. Knows when to keep it simple, knows when to turn on the ball and snatch a few yards, and links up well with Lanzini. Obiang showed glimpses of it last season, but he's been poor this year. I think Kouyate might be medically retarded.

ironsofcanada 1:57 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
We have won one league game this season that he didn't start.

We can do the Noble for and against for the millionth time.

Bottom line is we have been a better team since he has been starting regularly under Moyes.

Watching it is clear he has something every other midfielder we have lacks. If we are going to get anything out of our skill players, we need him or someone like him there.

Alex V 1:56 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
You say that, but in the West Brom game he changed the whole thing by coming on in a holding role. As Stewie said it used to be really annoying watching him play that role under Allardyce, but now with his limitations I think it's his best role and he should go back to it.

El Scorchio 1:51 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Noble improved us a lot at the West Brom and Shrewsbury games.

He can pass the ball miles better than almost anyone else at the club. We need to make sure he doesn't have to play as a fucking holding midfielder to get a bit more out of him.

FWIW I think our best combo available is Obiang, Noble and Lanzini.

El Scorchio 1:49 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
True! He has played more than I thought he would to be fair. I fully expect them to sign a few more expensive players in the summer though, so he might find himself benchwarming.

They might just hang on to him because he's English and helps them stick to their quota.

Trevor B 1:49 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Chelsea bought Drinkwater so they didn't have to keep leaving gaps in their squad due to having few HG players. Can't see why they would want to sell him.

Alex V 1:47 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Yep a lot of the squad has been poor. Noble among them. I don't think it's unfair to point the finger at him, because he's the captain and should be more reliable. He's been in and out of the side, and his contributions simply haven't been up to previous standards.

dolph 1:47 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Scortch

Drinkwater would be an excellent signing but can't see them letting him go if Bakayoko continues playing as wank as he has been

Chigwell 1:45 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Every team needs a midfielder with a good engine and a big heart. He does not need to be exceptionally skilful, in fact players like Ross Barkley who fancy themselves as exceptional don't often have the team spirit which the role needs. I was quite impressed with Norwich's Reed (on loan from Soton) in the match against Chelsea: Moyes was there supposedly looking at Batshuayi so let's hope that his attention was diverted by Reed. At least he's a player we could realistically afford.

El Scorchio 1:43 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
No doubt Danny Dwwwwwwwinkwater will be available from Chelsea soon.

dolph 1:43 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Zebthecat

Yeah i'd probably agree, but partly because I don't rate Adrian so don't expect much from him.

zebthecat 1:39 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
dolph 1:35 Thu Jan 18

Pretty much all of them bar Adrian.

Lily Hammer 1:36 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Alex

The club has had a poor start to teh season. Moyes and his staff have helped to start turning it around, and Noble has been one of teh most importasnt players in the ongoing recovery process. It's not fair to point at Noble and say he's had a poor season.

dolph 1:35 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Alex

Hasn't the vast majority of the squad had a poor season overall?

dolph 1:34 Thu Jan 18
Re: Who's going to replace Noble as a 'fetcher/carrier'?
Ok, so the consensus is that Sully should watch the Dendoncker YouTube vid and probably stay clear of Trevor's.

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