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Sydney_Iron 10:08 Fri Jan 19
Pele collapses with exhaustion
Been at the Viagra again??

"In the early hours of Thursday morning, Pele collapsed and was taken to hospital in Brazil"

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/english-premier-league/story/3353055/brazil-legend-pele-collapses-with-severe-exhaustion-misses-london-trip

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Far Cough 7:03 Mon Jan 22
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Erm, North Korea never played Brasil in the '66 WC, I think it was Bulgaria that was kicking Pele up in the air?

In fact North Korea were the surprise of the tournament, they ran Portugal close as well as beating Italy

Russ of the BML 6:16 Mon Jan 22
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Northern Sold 6:10 Mon Jan 22

Oh yeah, agree with that. Pele had to put up with atrocious tackling. In 1966 the North Koreans were basically doing flying kicks at his legs. They just obliterated him. A shame. But that's how the game was then.

Messi and Ronaldo are utterly head and shoulders beyond most but they have had it easy in comparison to someone like Pele, Di Stefano...Even Cruyff was regularly cut to pieces.

Northern Sold 6:10 Mon Jan 22
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I dunno Russ... they did try and dismantle him a lot of the time (see 1966 WC)... anyone else seen that pele film (about him in the 58 WC)... thought it was really good

Russ of the BML 6:07 Mon Jan 22
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Northern Sold 5:16 Mon Jan 22

I read somewhere Santos played Uruguay once in an exhibition game and they beat them 7-0 with Pele scoring 5.

He was mustard. No doubt. But must have been a walk in the park for him in a lot of those games.

Far Cough 5:24 Mon Jan 22
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Garrincha the little bird was up there with Pele

Northern Sold 5:18 Mon Jan 22
Re: Pele collapses with exhaustion
And also to be even fairer that was a hell of a overhead kick he did in escape to Victory....



I do dis... and dis... and dis... and 'den... goal...

Northern Sold 5:16 Mon Jan 22
Re: Pele collapses with exhaustion
Also to be fair his Santos team used to come over to Europe and play in that cup comp' for all the best teams in the world... they won that a few times... as you would imagine..

Russ of the BML 3:46 Mon Jan 22
Re: Pele collapses with exhaustion
To be fair though winning 3 world cups and being Brazil's highest ever scorer is pretty fucking rude.

Russ of the BML 3:45 Mon Jan 22
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Pele was no doubt the world's best for many years and by the best of his generation. The best ever? I don't know. Ability wise he was up there but I don't believe he is THE best.

HIs goal record is insane. But many, many of his goals were scored in exhibition matches as Santos were basically the Harlem Globetrotters of there day. They even played international teams. They did a tour of Europe once and he scored about 11 in 7 games. They are counted in his total but they were playing the likes of Luxembourg and Belgium (who were shit then).

Pele was a genius for his day. But I have since seen better. Just my opinion though.

Northern Sold 2:00 Mon Jan 22
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ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE (1281) goals....

Swiss. 1:56 Mon Jan 22
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Yeah when you talk about players then why not included defenders like Sir Bobby or Maldini who was then best left back I've ever seen.

Midfield Zidane, Beckenbauer, Matthieus,

In terms of attacking players in order

Maradona
Ronaldo
Messi
Van Basten


Pele might make the top ten just.

Razzle 11:39 Mon Jan 22
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What would Ron Atkinson say?

Northern Sold 6:53 Sat Jan 20
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Well worth watching the Pele film doing the rounds...

Takashi Miike 3:16 Sat Jan 20
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true........

Maradona
Cruyff
Best
Platini
Iniesta
Puskas
Di Stefano
Ronaldo
Messi
Pele

Private Dancer 3:09 Sat Jan 20
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miike - Sure and nearly all will go with attacking players. My probable 10 in no particular order, except Messi as no 1.

Messi
Maradona
Ronaldo
Cruyff
Zidane
Ronaldo
Best
Baggio
Platini
Guilit

Takashi Miike 3:02 Sat Jan 20
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PD, sadly there is little quality footage of those two so Pele was no doubt the first who's career was properly covered by decent technology and clips. its interesting thinking of a best ten players ever, no doubt almost everyone will have a slightly different list :.)

Private Dancer 2:59 Sat Jan 20
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miike - Yep. Can't get out of that one.

Takashi Miike 1:12 Sat Jan 20
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Pele wasn't the first really great player. Puskas & Di Stefano were around before him

J.Riddle 1:05 Sat Jan 20
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Scored 1,000 + goals that they know of, most say many more as records were not formally kept back then.

Only player to hold 3 World Cup winners medals.

Defenders who played against him used to say that when Pele had the ball and was running at them to get past them he would deliberately kick the ball against their shin and immediately run in the direction of the rebound sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left as he knew which direction the ball would go, embarrassing them like statues.

Never seen any other player even try to attempt this.

I think he was underestimated because he didn't showboat like Maradona and others, he was much more direct with his skills and a real athlete.

HairyHammer 12:45 Sat Jan 20
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For me if you are looking at Modern football then the greatest player to influence the game is obvious he is a thieving little Argie called Maradona but he was supreme and deserves to be right at the top.

HairyHammer 12:12 Sat Jan 20
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If there were cameras around to provide us with more of his goals there would be little doubt that he is probably in the top 5 to ten greatest players ever, the difference is things are far more professional these days but to have his raw talent and under today's conditions regarding fitness and he would still be a monster of a player.

https://youtu.be/5wlYLYAFJcU

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