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Gavros 1:22 Wed Feb 7
'First Briton' was...
....blue eyed.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

Discuss.

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gph 8:18 Wed Feb 21
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The UV absorbed by melanin doesn't go to manufacture vitamin D. It's absorbed before it can be used for that purpose. So the more melanin, the less UV is available for the manufacture of vitamin D.

Swiss. 6:21 Wed Feb 21
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And the sun was younger and stronger then

Swiss. 6:16 Wed Feb 21
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I mean I know more sun creates more menalin but a white face would be more useful in bright sun as it would reflect more but then get darker and less effective.

Bit arse around tit really

Swiss. 6:13 Wed Feb 21
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gph

But black absorbs more than white so if there is less sun shouldn't we be more black?

gph 4:25 Wed Feb 21
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It's the interaction between farming and the weak Sun that favours fair skin.

One on its own doesn't work.

Hence, black farmers in Africa, and black hunter-gatherers in Europe.

Of course, this leaves the Middle East unexplained. My guess is that some Europeans went back there, or that all-enveloping desert dress left too little skin exposed, or a combination. I expect more research will provide the answers

Gavros 4:08 Wed Feb 21
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There is one curiosity of this farmers became white argument.

Unless you count aboriginies, all humans became farmers.

gph 3:46 Wed Feb 21
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"When searching for a mate who offers the best chance of your own genes being passed on down the line, I seriously doubt that "Wow! Look at the diet on that!" was that popular a phrase."

So?

Obviously, it's the consequences of the diet that count.

Same with the skin. I seriously doubt people said "Wow! look at the vitamin D their skin pumps out!". Especially as they didn't have a clue what vitamin D was.

An agricultural lifestyle before metal implements would have meant more time out in the sun working - it's been fairly well established that early agricultural peoples spent more time working to provide themselves with food than did hunter-gatherers.

On average, switching to an agricultural lifestyle has so many immediate disadvantages - poorer diet, harder, longer and more boring work, that I imagine only lucky farmers stuck with it long enough to see the long-term advantage. Greater food security.

At that point, there being a lower chance of seeing your kids die would have become something pushing people towards farming.

All this is a simplification in at least one point - it's thought that there were many stopping points between being 100% hunter-gatherer and 90% farmer. For quite a long time, people were only primarily farmers.

Nevertheless, yes, there was a distinct advantage to having fair skin in regions where the Sun was weak.

But that was then, and it wasn't true before then, and it isn't true now.

It could become true again, if there was a collapse in civilisation involving terrible effects on the average diet, with no recovery for hundreds of years.

Mike Oxsaw 3:25 Wed Feb 21
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Gavros 3:11 Wed Feb 21

And how is that proof? It's all a bit chicken & egg. It may have fuck all to do with the diet and everything to do with more just sitting around in caves chillin;'.

JustAFatKevinDavies 3:12 Wed Feb 21
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Everyone on this thread deserves to die.

Gavros 3:11 Wed Feb 21
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its already been pointed out why white people became fairer skinned. A pastoral existence meant they didnt need to get their vitamin D from the sun.

Mike Oxsaw 3:08 Wed Feb 21
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gph 2:37 Wed Feb 21

When searching for a mate who offers the best chance of your own genes being passed on down the line, I seriously doubt that "Wow! Look at the diet on that!" was that popular a phrase.

Over generations, those with fairer skin out-lived those with darker skin, and, as such the fairer skinned were more likely to get their leg over/raped.

Why that skin was fairer would have been largely irrelevant at the mating ritual. People may well have developed fairer skin because an agricultural lifestyle meant that they could spend more time in the shade rather in the open seeking out/hunting down their next meal, thus requiring less natural protection from the sun..

gph 2:43 Wed Feb 21
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I don't know why I'm so relieved that the earlier Cheddar inhabitants, who were proven cannibals, have no link to me.

Some evidence points to them eating their deceased relatives as a way of honouring them, so they probably weren't the kind of cannibal that's feared by their neighbours.

gph 2:37 Wed Feb 21
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MO, you talk about the environment as if it has absolute, and not conditional, consequences for the "appropriateness" of skin colour.

If I've got the belt of a decent diet, I don't need the braces of a fair skin.

southwoodford 2:18 Wed Feb 21
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An immigrant? FFS .....

Swiss. 1:56 Wed Feb 21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSmokR0Enk

neilalex 1:52 Wed Feb 21
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It's interesting because they described his people as 'hunter gatherers' whereas this bloke was clearly the product of a cotton plantation.

Dwight Van Mann 11:15 Wed Feb 21
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get in there Swiss, son! You'r a ringer for the first Brit.
When you gonna take your country back from the Brexit nutters fella?

Swiss. 11:09 Wed Feb 21
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vanilli milli?

cholo 8:24 Wed Feb 21
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On second thoughts, the earlier bones were found to have no genetic link to either modern Britons or Rick James, so forget that. Other points still stand though.

cholo 8:17 Wed Feb 21
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He wasn't even the 'first Briton' was he. Bones five thousand years older were found on the same site (old enough to claim the mantle 'first Briton', but not so old to render the term meaningless).

Whilst the discovery is fascinating, unless you're arguing with an absolute White Supremacist die hard, there isn't really that much to say in the context of modern immigration imo.

On a side note, I thought he looked uncannily like Rick James what with that eighties wet perm n'all.

Mike Oxsaw 6:08 Wed Feb 21
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gph 1:18 Wed Feb 21

Who's claiming that? Anyway...

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