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ironsofcanada 11:40 Fri Feb 16
Anyone give me a non-political review of Black Panther?
Mate wants to see it this weekend and having trouble finding reviews that aren't political one way or the other.

Decent film?

Bit of fun?

Thanks.

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ironsofcanada 4:18 Mon Feb 19
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threesixty 4:08 Mon Feb 19

Fair enough.

Remember though what ever problems there are with it, there is no super hero (something outside reality) without the vibranium.

threesixty 4:08 Mon Feb 19
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irons

The vibranium thing is a weird one. Sometimes I look at it as a source of good and also a source of pain. Like how oil has caused so many wars in the developing countries because "colonisers" have come to take it and made some people rich and others dirt poor. So maybe they are saying having resource is only good if you share it with everyone else rather than keep the benefits to yourself?
(if you think about the wealth in Equitoral Guniea or Nigeria due to oil its inexplicable why so much poverty still exists there).

It seems that in the future films the opening up of Vibranium may lead to more issues as people fight over it etc..

I dont think the film was preachy because I don't know if there were any answers to some of these things. Just questions really, or a lot of "what if's".However I felt it was thought provoking anyway.

eusebiovic 3:55 Mon Feb 19
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Nurse Ratched 9:04 Sun Feb 18

Cheers!

ironsofcanada 3:52 Mon Feb 19
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threesixty 3:33 Mon Feb 19

I agree it is political movie, which you can ignore if you want. But I would still say if you logically push some of the metaphors they have some dangerously erroneous ideas.

The vibranium as resources is quick one I think. Vibranium is essentially magic and to compare it to the technological use of resources provide a false view of history. The only reason why much of Africa's resources were resources was because a technology level had been built over centuries that was able to and have the need to exploit them. If you follow the metaphor out, it means that African could have magically transformed itself with the resources if it was left alone. That makes no sense historically but it does create an new reason for groups to dislike each, when we have plenty of them in real life already.

Again, well made movie, but some not so helpful messages if you logically follow the metaphors.

threesixty 3:33 Mon Feb 19
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Irons

Sorry, I mean that that use of metaphors throughout are explicit. Like they are not trying to hide the themes and politics of things. Like the tribes fighting each other is a pointer to how internal tribal conflicts erupt and destroy the common purpose. Or how vibranium is a metaphor for African resources that have been stolen over the centuries through colonisation.
The stuff about being buried in the sea rather than be in bondage is particular poignant as if alludes to how some slaves drowned themselves in route rather than live as slaves for white people.

Maybe “metaphor” isn’t the right word for all of these themes but there are big statements made in the film about Africa and its relationship with black America.

That’s what i saw anyway. Ymmv..

ironsofcanada 1:44 Mon Feb 19
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threesixty 1:37 Mon Feb 19

Technically if something is said explicitly it is not a metaphor.

But anyway, what are these metaphors?

Westham67 1:38 Mon Feb 19
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I watched it today, decent

After the first credits

A speech is made by the King (Black Leopard) to the UN speaking about world unity rather than conflict

threesixty 1:37 Mon Feb 19
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ironsofcanada

The metaphors are there. They are explicit. You dont have to see them to enjoy the film. But when you know the context and what the film makers intended its kind of hard to avoid them.

Whether you agree is another matter entirely!

ironsofcanada 1:34 Mon Feb 19
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threesixty 1:05 Mon Feb 19

I saw it and I think it was well made but I think if you are taking political metaphors from it, they are pretty dangerous.

threesixty 1:05 Mon Feb 19
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Saw it yesterday. Great film. I'm not very into comic book films (unlike most of the world it seems) but this was a little different. Didnt feel as "make believe" as other comic stuff (if that makes sense?).

Anyway, the film operates on two levels. If you just watch it as a good vs evil flick its good. If you look at it from the political metaphors it presents it's a masterpiece in film making.

Its incredibly hard to create a story with a message that only one group of people will truly understand and yet still present a story that a wider audience can enjoy.

I think its a bit like watching Dunkirk and being Chinese or something. You get it as a standard war tale, but I think only people of British heritage will really "feel it". As the modern british existence as it is today was completely dependent on that battle. And lots of british people have relatives involved directly in that situation. It explained why "grandad doesn't talk about that stuff" etc.. Films can be very deep the people affected by it.

Anyway, just my two cents...

Cheezey Bell-End 11:10 Sun Feb 18
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I reckon I was 1 of 2 white people in the cinema.

riosleftsock 10:18 Sun Feb 18
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Some terrible racism on here.

The film is an absolute 100%er.

It was reviewed without being seen.

FatboyChelseaScum 9:42 Sun Feb 18
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An anti-immigration, isolationist, pro-trade restriction, pro-wall, undiverse, ethno-nationalist, anti-refugee, anti-democratic film. Black Panther is alt-right!

Sniper 9:35 Sun Feb 18
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It’s the second black led Marvel franchise after blade, which hit none of the raised fist support really despite being 20 years ago

Crassus 9:16 Sun Feb 18
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Never was an American comic type, a Beano/Victor/Dandy man, so can't contribute on that but this all jiggerboo cast thingy, that appears to have gained resonance is a modern shift on that done before

The Wiz, made back in the 70's tried just that and within a far hotter political racial climate, given it's timing and context

Can't claim that Billy had anything to do with it mind....

Nurse Ratched 9:04 Sun Feb 18
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Not bad that, eus.

eusebiovic 8:55 Sun Feb 18
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There were only two actors in that film who weren't black.

Martin Freeman who played Bilbo Baggins and Andy Serkis who played Gollum.

They were the Tolkien white guys...

ironsofcanada 8:53 Sun Feb 18
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Thanks for the last three posts. Heading out, still.

ironsofcanada 8:53 Sun Feb 18
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Thanks for the last three posts. Heading out, still.

Hammers1993 8:45 Sun Feb 18
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Wasn't all that to be honest. Was dull and slow in places.

Some critics have said it's best MCU movie yet which it definitely isn't.

Cheezey Bell-End 8:42 Sun Feb 18
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I saw it tonight. It was OK. Visually it was good, but from about an hour in I was waiting for it to end. Didn't help that the accents were hard to understand. Hard t recommend it to be honest.

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