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OLD GEEZER 1:54 Sun Jan 13
Are we a big club.
I suppose to be regarded as a “big club” we have to start winning things. But then again in the media Spurs are talked up as a “big club” and they don’t win much.
I get so fed up when you read that whenever we bring in a fantastic young talent like Declan all you hear about are questions about when he will leave us.
This club has all the potential to be huge. 60k attendance must say how we can grow into a “big club”. We just need to persuade the Declan’s of this world that they should hang around because our time is coming.

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Sir Alf 9:24 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
Big club really equates to rich club in the modern game and when used a term by the ex-pros and other media hacks

IMHO There are 4 very rich clubs with the money to buy the best squads , Arsenal have the money but an owner who will not spend at the level required and Spurs also will always be on a budget compared to those 4 rich ( sorry I mean big :-) ) club’s

Then there are the others which include us and with TV money it’s a more level playing field but like before TV subscriptions changed things your attendance gave u a real advantage . We are near the top of this group

In other words big club used to be much more about number of fans but now about who has the richest owners and who can spend the most. Media and pundits don’t use the word rich as that will acknowledge this truth and show that the Premiership is not actually the most competitive league. But since they make their living from it it’s no surprise :-)

Peckham 7:28 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
Agreed Bruno Boss. But the dildo brothers simply do not have the finances to maintain us as a big club. More about the money than Brady to be fair. I can tolerate her BUT NOT tolerate her astronomical salary and the consultancy work.
Bu I watched her appeals process with the London council and thought she done an excellent job by herself and represented us well against that cunt Hearn.

Sydney_Iron 5:22 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
Dont really care how big we are or perceived to be TBH, And im not too fused if we never get to be as big as the likes of Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal.

If we finish 8th having played good football and have a good Cup run, im more than happy, but offer that to a "Big" Club fan and it would be urine soaked knickers all round and they would be demanding the owners sack the manager, buy more expensive signings and expect squad overhauls.

Seems to me that unless your winning everything supporting a "big club" is pretty miserable.

Any Old Iron 2:06 Mon Jan 14
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Where did I say you like those clubs? Nowhere. I didn't even imply it.

And I don't know why they're not interested in football and I don't care that they're not. Why should I. They represent an entirely different culture to mine and and I have nothing in common with them.

tnb 1:49 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
You seem to be thinking that because I am saying clubs are massive that I'm saying I like them. The fact is that they are massive at the present, in terms of revenue, profile, and trophies. That doesn't mean I'm a fan, and it doesn't mean they've always been that way. But right now, those four are the ones to measure ourselves by if we are defining what a "big club" is.

As for your second point, why aren't they interested in football? Could they be? Isn't it worth trying?

Any Old Iron 1:36 Mon Jan 14
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tnb 12:16 Mon Jan 14
"We could be massive. Not Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool massive"
You don't have a fucking clue. Neither Man City or the ponces down the Kings road are 'massive'. They're both rent boys who have mega-rich sugar daddies who have simply bought their success.

"Speak to the current population of East Ham, Plaistow, etc or the Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets and more often than not they don't even have a football allegiance. If we could get them on board then we have generations of fans who no other London club touches".
Have you stopped and wondered why no club touches them? These people daren't interested in football so they're never 'coming on board'.

tnb 1:33 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
Dave,

In fairness i was talking about how big those clubs are now. I don't see us getting to that level, ie the level they are at now, on terms of profile and so on. Of course the arse could fall out of both of them it their owners were to walk away, but whilst I do remember Man City being in the 3rd tier I would say that at least in my lifetime Chelsea were always one of the bigger London clubs. Even before Abramovic there were kids in my school who supported Chelsea in the Vialli, Zola era. No one supported West Ham if they didn't have a connection. Now, whether we want that kind of support is another question. Let's not forget that they won an FA Cup and a Cup Winners Cup in the decade before the Russian money started rolling in, during which we won the Intertoto. Hardly comparable.

And I completely agree that I wouldn't want us to be big for the same reasons. But the next step is competing with the likes of Everton and, now, Arsenal to be the "best of the rest". There is no reason we can't achieve that, and from there on who knows.

bruuuno 1:18 Mon Jan 14
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Peckham 9:54 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.


Whether you like her or not I wouldn’t call Brady two Bob. She’s good at what she does

bruuuno 1:16 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
Is Romford in Essex or east London?

DaveT 1:11 Mon Jan 14
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tnb
Totally agree what you say apart from Chelsea and Man City massive. They are there at the moment only because of the owners. I'm old enough to remember how poor Chelsea's support was and Man City have been in the old division three not that many years ago.
It would be great if we could compete at the top level but I wouldn't want it if it was just bought like those two

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:04 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
We are a big club. Maybe even a very big club. Ask a Macclesfield or Burton supporter the question and he'll look at you like you're mental.

However, we're not a giant or a MASSIVE club. And that's just fine.

tnb 12:16 Mon Jan 14
Re: Are we a big club.
We have the potential to be. I remember an interview with David Dein about 15 years ago where he was saying that of all the London clubs we were the one he was worried about, as if we really maximised our potential we could be huge whereas teams like Arsenal and Tottenham have a natural rival in their catchment area and Chelsea is not a football (ie. working class) area anymore to bring through new fans.

The support is there. The ambition hasn't been for a long time, and the stadium move could be seen as part of realising that but the fact is that until last summer it hadn't been matched with a similar level of ambition in terms of investment.

Right now of course we aren't, we are not in any form of European competition and haven't been seriously competing for that for many years. A couple of glorified friendly stages of the Europa doesn't count. Many people probably see us in the same boat as Newcastle and Tottenham before their recent improvement, a club whose fans think they are bigger than their results justify. But unlike Newcastle, and as much as Tottenham circa a few years ago we absolutely could be.

It's up to the board to decide how far they want to take us now, or if they can't to sell up to someone who can take that next step.

Having said the support is there, and nearly 60k yesterday should not be underestimated, one thing that could really help us is to really energise the untapped potential in our area. We are still very much a club of the traditional mid 20th century East Enders who moved out to Essex or wherever. Speak to the current population of East Ham, Plaistow, etc or the Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets and more often than not they don't even have a football allegiance. If we could get them on board then we have generations of fans who no other London club touches.

We could be massive. Not Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool massive but up there in the 'next best' places in one of the most competitive leagues around. Or we could still be talking about how we could be in another 20 years. The next few years will be very interesting.

gph 11:59 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Of course we're not.

Big clubs get loads of ludicrous decisions in their favour.

You have to go back to Tevez and Blackburn to see one in OUR favour.

Bullet 11:53 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Yes I first realised this at the Cup Final when 300,000 turned up.

jakehammer 11:36 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Branded 2.08 sun.

what branded said speaks for me. I have to say that whether west Ham are in the prem or the national league, thats where this old buggers heart lies. i will love/hate them whereever we are. west ham is my "religion" if you like and you dont give that up lightly.
the 3 stooges running our club have their faults (bastards!!!), but after the arrival of El Pell, they seem to have rwalised what running a proper club like ours is really all about.
as for being a BIG club, thats for others to say, but our support is second to none and is a support that doesn't abandon a club like ours to chase stardom.
we are west ham and if we play the west ham way which EL Pell now has us doing, then for most of us, thats enough. if we finish well in the league and with a good tickle in any of the cups, then i hope i'm speaking for most of us when i say that is all we#re looking for.
60.00 Irons cant be wrong.
COYI !!!. In EL Pell we truly believe.

IsaacHock 11:33 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Isaac’s guide to ‘Big Club’ club membership.

Get the Argos catalogue out and turn to the football club duvet covers page.

If your team is featured, your team is a big club.

Conclusion - West Ham are not (and have not been in the last 30 years) a big club.

Mad Dog 10:29 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Not really.

Should we be. Yes.
We've been fucked over by decades of shit at board level

Mex Martillo 10:29 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
Stupid thread, we are a big club, always have been.
I thought this was another Woody wind up, but you idiots seem to be serious.

Peckham 9:54 Sun Jan 13
Re: Are we a big club.
With our history, our loyal support we are potentially a MASSIVE club, it is the 2 bob board preventing this and why they are in control we will never get what we deserve. Trophies, Recognition and Respect.

Wils 9:25 Sun Jan 13
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"Re: Are we a big club.
Gone down then. I’m sure we were 12th once."

Historical records are on that link. We have been steadily rising. But Tottenham are nearly twice the size and Arsenal three times the size. So a good way off breaking into the top 6.

theaxeman 9:22 Sun Jan 13
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If clubs like arsenal, chelsea and liverpool had been as unsuccessful as us they would be lucky to get about 10k let alone 60k. Imagine if we were good we'd the LS out twice over!

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