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chav_corner 10:31 Thu Apr 11
Hammers United.-What do we want.
Paul Colborne's Interview with American Hammers TV.
https://youtu.be/D5wO7vPsN8o



HAMMERS UNITED.-WHAT DO WE WANT?

As you know we have written to the club seeking a meeting.There are so many issues to raise but in particular we will be highlighting the following:-

Ticket Prices and Season Ticket renewals.

Some bands have seen major increases.Seats have been moved from one band to another(without notifying those affected).Renewal date brought forward.Those not renewing corporate tickets not being able to downgrade but forced to go to the back of the waiting list.And as for the waiting list what a shambles that is with tickets seemingly randomly issued.
We have had others better qualified than us produce a full report which will form the basis of any discussion with the club.

The London Stadium and Match Experience.

Well where do you start.We have been inundated with things our members want changed.Many issues stem from inadequate and frankly very bad stewarding.Improving this must be the priority.we are all sick to death of heavy handed stewarding,away fans in West Ham sections and stewards cheering when the opposition score.The Club have a duty of care to see that it’s supporters are treated fairly and at the same time be able to watch the match in a safe environment.It is not good enough to say the stewards are not their responsibility.-The well being of THEIR supporters is.
There are many other things supporters want changed but we feel the stewarding is the most important and will concentrate our efforts accordingly.However one reoccurring complaint which might be easily resolved is the lack of refreshment facilities in the upper tier.At half time It is impossible for supporters to get down the stairs,buy food and get back up again before kick off.Is there room on the upper tiers to add a refreshment area?

Memorial Gardens.

A very emotive subject.-And so it should be.
Supporters have loved ones here and understandably get very upset when the gardens are neglected .There is no doubt that the gardens have not been maintained regularly.Plans are in place for major improvements.We will keep an eye on developments.

Mascots.

West Ham charge more than any other Premier League club.Neil Taylor at LLTB.has raised this and been in contact with the club on the matter.it is about time he got a bit of support on this.
Help for Disabled Supporters.
To be fair West Ham seem to be trying hard to help supporters.Julie Pidgeon deals with accessibility issues and we have heard nothing but praise for her.There does seem to be one major issue in that the shuttle buses are held back until the away fans are dispersed.-Leading to a long wait.This is not good and needs to be addressed.
Champions Place Stones.
Another emotive subject .-And again so it should be.
The stones are becoming dirty and it is getting hard to see the inscriptions.This is after a relatively short space of time.If they are not cleaned and properly maintained the whole concept and meaning of them will have been a waste of time.-This needs to be addressed and should not be difficult for the club to resolve.

Erradication of our heritage.

Where do we start? Lee Rogers wrote a great piece on this which is on our facebook page.Says it all really.
West ham had a passionate and loyal fan base which was the envy of most clubs.-without doubt the best fans in London and perhaps the country.The fanbase didn’t need gentrifying.-The club should have played to it’s strengths.-For example maybe having a pop up Boleyn Pub in the ground.-And a pop up Nathans and Ercans.Many passionate long standing supporters have walked away.-feeling they are no longer wanted.We would like to see the club reach out to these supporters and try and get them back.
Many long term supporters feel that they just aren’t wanted there anymore.The club can put pictures etc up celebrating our heritage and that helps.-But what we want is to be made to feel welcome.We look forward to the imput of our members at the meeting of April 20th.-Especially so on what we put to the club on this.

Our away supporters.

The club give them no help whatsoever.As a committee we have 3 suggestions listed below which we want to put to the club.
!.The club offer next to no help with away travel.Our Supporters have solved this themselves with the brilliant Hornchurch coaches and Ironworks tours. However we would like to see train travel be put on for one off night games to long distance places such as Liverpool and Manchester in the league cup in recent years when no scheduled trains back were available.Trains are very expensive but for cup games the Club get a cut of the gate money.Manchester United the other year was around £60 a pop so every additional fan West Ham took they would have got nearly £20 which could have offset train costs.The situation probably arises once a year,if that,but we would like to see the club look into it.
2.Watford and Newcastle have a reciprocal arrangement whereby each gives the others fans £5 off admission.We would like to see West Ham contact both and see if this could be arranged.
3.Another suggestion is that when somebody has booked say 6 away games in one season then the club should make a gesture to thank them for their loyalty.-Perhaps a voucher for a free pie and a pint
One way or another we would like to see some help for our great away following.If any of our members have any other ideas we will of course take them into consideration.
Investment in the Playing Squad.
We encourage the club to invest as much as possible to give West Ham United the best possible chance of success on the pitch.They did invest heavily last Summer but investment in the years before has been woefully inadequate and we still have an aging and unbalanced squad.Sustained investment is required.Hopefully the club will match it’s obvious competitors in Leicester,Wolves,Everton .We do not expect it to match the investment of the top 6,that would be unfair.Rumours are that the Club will have a net spend of around £25 million this Summer.We hope these rumours are unfounded.This figure is obviously totally unrealistic in today’s Premier League.

These points will be put to our members on April 20th for endorsement.
We look forward to seeing as many of you there as possible.
Thank You.
Greg Hobbs(Secretary).

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chav_corner 7:40 Tue Jun 11
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
As you know Hammers United are seeking talks with West Ham to discuss the Stewarding at the London Stadium.

We will also be introducing our own initiative before the start of the new season.

In essence we will be circulating guidelines on how our members should deal with innapropriate Stewarding.We will also have a dedicated EMail line whereby our members can report innapropriate or unfair stewarding to Hammers United.We will then seek advice fromour legal team and advise our members accordingly.

We are extremely hopeful that this initiative will go a long way to safeguarding our members against any unfair or unwarranted action.

More details will be posted soon.

Lee Rogers(Joint Secretary).

Phil_74 5:13 Tue Jun 11
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And he's not chair or on the committee now

dreaming of 86 4:30 Tue Jun 11
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
I believe at the time of the fallout last year WHUISA were not a political organisation, but the chairman at the time was certainly heavily involved in politics and having listened to him in several meetings, his views were certainly not what you would expect to hear from someone trying to work with the club

Westham67 2:35 Tue Jun 11
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That was bullshit from last year they are not political at all

Phil_74 2:33 Tue Jun 11
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Hammers United are not in bed with anybody..we have sent a joint letter to WHU, that is all.

Like others, I'd like an explanation of how Whuisa are a political organisation with a political agenda.

Or is it just the mud that was slung last year?

Lily Hammer 10:00 Tue Jun 11
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
For me, I don't care whether WHUISA are political or not in this case, (I don't think they are overtly political), because whichever way anybody leans politically, each and every one of us can agree on the sentiments conveyed in this latest letter to the club.

Syd Puddefoot 9:02 Mon Jun 10
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muskie 4:37 Mon Jun 10

Muskie, for the sake of those of us who don’t follow these things that closely, can you explain in simple terms how WHUISA are a “are a political organisation with a political agenda” please.

I read a lot of that type of thing from the RWHFAG spewed out as they self-destructed but have never seen any specifics.

Thanks.

wanstead_hammer 8:03 Mon Jun 10
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
That provides them with plenty of food for thought.
Will be very interesting to see their response (and the time it takes).

chav_corner 5:18 Mon Jun 10
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Dear Jake,

Thankyou for your most recent e mail of 29/5/19.

We now write together with WHUISA whom the Club have also refused to liaise with. We write as 2 organisations that only seek to further the interests and concerns of attending supporters. The refusal of the board to enter into dialogue with independent supporter organisations affects us equally and we therefore write on this issue as one.

As stated in your letter and previously, the Club says that it refuses to engage with supporter groups outside of the OSB. We would ask you to consider, in your role as Supporter Services Manager, if this approach constitutes a structured dialogue process.

As you are aware, the creation of a SSM and dialogue with supporter representation is a good football governance Government guideline. Engagement with and ‘ensuring a proper and constructive discourse with the fans’ is also a UEFA regulation (Article 35 of the club Licensing Regulations).
We appreciate that the Club have created what they consider to be a compliant structure but it is noted that this does not have democratically elected representatives, appears to comply with the bare minimum terms and does not actually engage the Board with issues of the most relevance to the supporter base.
The FSA interpret the regulations and guidelines to require Clubs to recognise independent supporter trusts or groups that are constituted along democratic lines. As a number of others have observed, including members themselves, the OSB is neither independent of the Club nor elected by supporters.

In any event, the creation of the OSB does not then mean that the Club can ignore the genuine concerns of other, actually democratic and formal, supporter organisations. In fact they should be welcoming it and encouraging it.

The Club is not following the spirit of the regulations as it must and you, as our SSM, should be ensuring this as much as anyone.
It is apparent to many supporters and observers that West Ham have had a fractious relationship with large swathes of the supporters for some time. This only over emphasises the need for proper fan engagement at this great Club of ours.

We urge you and the Board again to engage with us both as representative bodies. If not then within 14 days we intend to make a formal complaint to UEFA, the PL and to The Department of Culture for breach of the regulations and the good governance of football guidelines. We are left with nowhere else to go.

Yours,

Lee Rogers.(Joint Secretary)Hammers United. John Ratomski(Acting Chair)WHUISA.
FSA.

muskie 4:37 Mon Jun 10
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Getting into bed with WHUISA is not a goood idea, they are a political organisation with a political agenda.
Hammers United's claim to be non-political is compromised by any activity it does alongside WHUISA.

Lily Hammer 7:36 Sun Jun 9
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Nice one, Loxford.

The best way, and what it says on our tin: Hammers UNITED.

I hope WHUISA see sense and are of accord.

Loxfordfella 11:22 Sat Jun 8
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Hammers United, in conjunction with the FSF, have reviewed, revised, approved and endorsed the proposal of Doc H Ball at our committee meeting held this morning in St Pauls.

We have extended an invitation to WHUISA, as an independent organisation in their own right, to endorse the amended proposal.

It is our intention to send this letter on Monday 10th June at 1100hrs and we await the response from the WHUISA organisation.

Given the Hammers United position, with our intention to ramp up our efforts over the closed summer months, and in the interest of time, should we not receive an endorsement from WHUISA inside the allotted timeframe above we will forward the letter directly to the club.

Queens Fish Bar 1:53 Fri Jun 7
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cartis 6:42 Tue Jun 4


Spot on - sadly.

Fo the Communist 11:18 Tue Jun 4
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
Lily Hammer 1:57 Tue Jun 4

Agreed and moreover the lobbying of main sponsors - and the threat of negative publicity involving them - is one of the avenues fans groups have yet to explore.

There are many ways to make GSB uncomfortable and bringing sponsors into the argument is one way of applying lateral pressure to the owners.. Sponsors pay good money to associate themselves with the West Ham London brand and will become very edgy very quickly if the relationship becomes tainted.

cartis 6:42 Tue Jun 4
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
So the Daves are spending in a safe and sensible way, which I'd have approved of, had they kept us at Upton Park. That's the infuriating bit. The move was not worth it financially, and as the bloke says, the best way for us to improve financially now, is to have fewer season ticket holders, and more tourist day trippers, who pay higher ticket prices and spend more in the shop.

Precisely

Demolishing our ground and moving us to an absolute shit hole .that we don't even own is something I can never ever forgive those two greedy old cunts for.

They have ripped the soul out of the club for what , other than personal greed.

w4hammer 3:35 Tue Jun 4
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we dont have any naming rights tho do we?

"Under its lease to use the London Stadium, for which it pays a basic rate of £2.5m in rent per year, West Ham is due to receive 40% of E20’s naming rights revenue over £4m a year."

so basically fuck all !

look at other clubs who are able to make money in the summer southampton/swansea etc have had concerts. and events

Yids have the NFL and rugby- we dont and wont ever get any of that revenue

If you take away Man City and their skewed finances can anyone point to a separate stadium ownership /anchor tenant deal that works- at any level, anywhere!?

How did it go so wrong. Youse cunt west ham

Lily Hammer 1:57 Tue Jun 4
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
One point I take from this youtube clip, that is positive rather than depressing, is how the bloke says that a big reason we have not yet got a big sponsor or naming rights deal is because of the unrest among the support. This means the club will almost have to sit down and listen to us if they want to have a chance of having a united support. They need us to be united as much as we want to be united.


If the owners don't engage with us, then there is a strong possibility that large numbers will kick up a stink again, which will seriously damage their chances of getting a good deal on naming rights or any potential sale.

Lily Hammer 1:38 Tue Jun 4
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w4

What's depressing is that it seems the spending by our owners is what it should be, otherwise we enter a dangerous irresponsible realm that could lead us to being another Bolton.

So the Daves are spending in a safe and sensible way, which I'd have approved of, had they kept us at Upton Park. That's the infuriating bit. The move was not worth it financially, and as the bloke says, the best way for us to improve financially now, is to have fewer season ticket holders, and more tourist day trippers, who pay higher ticket prices and spend more in the shop.

w4hammer 1:31 Tue Jun 4
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Lily Hammer 12:07 Tue Jun 4
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w4hammer 11:06 Tue Jun 4

Thanks for that. Really informative and interesting. It's good to get some pukka knowledge on football finances in general and the details on West Ham's.

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yeah its excellent . I think we all (kind) of know this however its condensed and clarified better there than ive heard

Basically we have gone after a financial model that really doesnt work or provide any improvement until we are in the top6 /europe, and the best we can hope for is to win the "everton cup" i.e 7th !

Lily Hammer 12:07 Tue Jun 4
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w4hammer 11:06 Tue Jun 4

Thanks for that. Really informative and interesting. It's good to get some pukka knowledge on football finances in general and the details on West Ham's.

w4hammer 11:06 Tue Jun 4
Re: Hammers United.-What do we want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1n4Xzbnhog&feature=youtu.be

excellent interview on the clubs finances with Kevin Maguire

Apols if posted elsewhere, i couldnt see it...

well done Geo and the team...

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