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franksfat&slow&wank 10:27 Wed Jul 31
Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING

This debate about the mix of midfield. Thought I’d look into where League goals and assists come from across ourselves, Wolves, Leicester and Everton. Did this quickly so think it’s right - May be some allocation issues between Striker and Attacking mid given some players have played both positions for each club.

Striker (St), Attacking mid (AM), centre and defensive mid (Mid), full back/wingback (FB), centre back (CB)

West H goals- St 20, AM 20, Mid 7, FB 1, CB 2
Everton goals - St 22, AM 19, Mid 1, FB 6, CB 5
Wolves goals - St 22, AM 5, Mid 7, FB 5, CB 7
Leicest goals- St 19, AM 15, Mid 5, FB 2, CB 7
West H assists - St 5, AM 17, Mid 7, FB 3, CB 1
Everton assists - St 6, AM 13, Mid 4, FB 7, CB 5
Wolves assists - St 13, AM 5, Mid 11, FB 6, CB 0
Leicest assists - St 8, AM 12, Mid 4, FB 10, CB 0

Full/wing back and centre back for our three main competitors were worth a combined 23 goals and assists for Everton, 18 for Wolves, 19 for Leicester....7 for us.

Central/defensive midfield was 14 goals and assists for us (4 penalties for Nobes), 5 for Everton, 18 for Wolves (9 of which was one player - Moutinho) and 9 for Leicester.

So, despite only playing one ‘defensive midfielder we’re par for the course for goals and assists from centre mid - but massively underachieve versus peers from full back (and a bit behind on CB). With two defensive midfielders allowing Masuaku and Fredericks to attack rather than Cresswell and Zabaleta (whose attacking stats last year were poor). Would we expect an improved return on 1 goal and 3 assists from full back over a whole season? That’s a poor return on fullback - especially when everyone acknowledges that defending ain’t their strongest point.

franksfat&slow&wank 1:22 Wed Jul 31
Re: Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

banned not band

franksfat&slow&wank 1:22 Wed Jul 31
Re: Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

kenzo lol I just look at the transfer bit, cannot post on there as band the day I joined

Westham67 1:01 Wed Jul 31
Re: Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

* Puts on cardigan

ChillTheKeel 11:55 Wed Jul 31
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Thanks for the reminder as to why I avoid DUMB at all costs.

Mr Kenzo 11:49 Wed Jul 31
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WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU DOING ON KUMB?

easthammer 11:48 Wed Jul 31
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Surely the most important stat is tota numberl of goals scored. Analysis of how they were scored might show potential for improvement but if you score more from the back it might be you score less fom elsewhere.

In these figures just Everton scored more than West Ham the fact that the other two teams scored more from defence is therefore irrelevant

BRANDED 11:48 Wed Jul 31
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For me the greatest skill would be how would you liberate footballers to play to their individual optimum and yet blend as a team. Bearing in mind each team you play might be also trying to do this?

Pickle Rick 11:23 Wed Jul 31
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Good God, just reading the first few lines of that had me reaching for the pipe and slippers!!

BRANDED 11:07 Wed Jul 31
Re: Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

It would depend on the quality of the opposition.

Woden 10:44 Wed Jul 31
Re: Stolen From Hammer 1975 from KUMB

Interesting stats. I seem to remember Cresswell himself scoring a few at LB and not just assists. Musuaku and Fredricks playing more regularly as you say should produce more assists.